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  • Why let one man and one woman ruin it for everyone?

    Why let one man and one woman ruin it for everyone?

  • Josheb
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    Originally posted by Daniel Marsh View Post
    Why let one man and one woman ruin it for everyone?
    Why no response to my op-reply?

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  • Bob Carabbio
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    Originally posted by ttruscott View Post

    Never thought about it nor am I interested in it much...it seems logical but I haven't worked with the logical implications yet. I don't recall any sect with this pov about Adam, are you in a named group?
    I'm a member in good standing of the Assemblies of God, but am not defined by them necessarily. since my tangle in the '70s with the CHarismatic outpouring (so called), I'm a free range Charismatic Non-Systematic somewhat Calvinistic-leaning Eclectic. I have no idea what "PCE" stands for.

    We've bumped noses before - Do you remember what that was over?
    I don't personally remember the occasion.

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  • ttruscott
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    Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

    Nope - other than an Earth that was CURSED for his sake, so he had to WORK to survive. You are aware that Adam gave HIS delegated dominion to satan (who is now the "Prince of the power of the air", and "The god of this world" when he tossed God under the bus aren't you??
    Never thought about it nor am I interested in it much...it seems logical but I haven't worked with the logical implications yet. I don't recall any sect with this pov about Adam, are you in a named group? The PCE theology is widespread but has no actual sect that I'm aware of...

    We've bumped noses before - Do you remember what that was over?

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  • Bob Carabbio
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    Originally posted by ttruscott View Post
    I had a niggle that you were different but could not remember. Glad I asked.

    But I know something is wrong. Did we inherit anything from Adam?
    Nope - other than an Earth that was CURSED for his sake, so he had to WORK to survive. You are aware that Adam gave HIS delegated dominion to satan (who is now the "Prince of the power of the air", and "The god of this world" when he tossed God under the bus aren't you??

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  • ttruscott
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    Originally posted by AlFin View Post
    Weird logic.
    So, is it invisible, incredible or impossible? Those whose faith is strongly orthodox can't even imagine our pre-earth existence is in the bible without a teacher...

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  • ttruscott
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    Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

    ABSOLUTELY NOT. There's NO SUCH THING as "Inherited SIN"!!!!, I skillfully created MY OWN sin - as soon as I figured out how to.OOh - you're a mind reader!! I DON'T believe that God created satan EVIL. that was something that satan did for himself. (iniquity = rebellion)
    I had a niggle that you were different but could not remember. Glad I asked.

    But I know something is wrong. Did we inherit anything from Adam?

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  • e v e
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    Originally posted by Daniel Marsh View Post
    Why let one man and one woman ruin it for everyone?
    Adam and Eve were not man and woman as you conceive of man and woman. The one who ruined anything was satan, who intentionally interfered with Eden.


    A clue to who is to most to blame is in the fact satan is not forgiven. Don't blame the originals of Eden. They are captives, as all we are because of the satanic realm.

    What do you think the current earth is? The world of death entered at the fall, a cosmological not merely psychological event.

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  • Bob Carabbio
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    Originally posted by ttruscott View Post
    Don't you believe in inherited, also falsely known as, original sin?
    ABSOLUTELY NOT. There's NO SUCH THING as "Inherited SIN"!!!!, I skillfully created MY OWN sin - as soon as I figured out how to.

    You probably don't believe HE created Satan evil
    OOh - you're a mind reader!! I DON'T believe that God created satan EVIL. that was something that satan did for himself. (iniquity = rebellion)

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  • ttruscott
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    Originally posted by AlFin View Post
    Ezek 18:20 only states that the person who commits a sin is the only one responsible for the consequences. It does not mean that everybody else does not sin.
    Ezek18:20 contradicts the false doctrine that we can be made sinners by inheriting Adam's sin and death. We die only for our own sin even if we are still a foetus. Death proves sin but not Adam's, only our own.

    No one but you said it refers to everybody else not sinning....it does not.

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  • AlFin
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    Originally posted by ttruscott View Post
    Yes - but both Satan and Eve sinned before he did so the only way sin could have entered into the world with Adam was if he was a sinner when he was sown (Matt 13:36-39) into his new body of dust as the first person to be brought into the world.
    Weird logic.

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  • ttruscott
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    Originally posted by AlFin View Post
    Your own quote of Romans 5:12 shows that sin entered the world through Adam and not Satan.
    Yes - but both Satan and Eve sinned before he did so the only way sin could have entered into the world with Adam was if he was a sinner when he was sown (Matt 13:36-39) into his new body of dust as the first person to be brought into the world.

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  • ttruscott
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    Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
    It was part of the Plan of redemption from before the creation. God did things the way He did, so as to prove His WISDOM in the way they'll all work out in the end. Simple as that.
    Don't you believe in inherited, also falsely known as, original sin?

    Why is a plan of redemption needed if all HE had to do was to NOT create HIS bride as disgustingly evil and corrupt by NOT making Her human in Adam??

    You probably don't believe HE created Satan evil yet you willingly accept that the GOD who is love and is righteously just creates HIS Bride in abject evil by making Her human to inherit Adam's evil.

    The mind boggles...

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  • ttruscott
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    Originally posted by Daniel Marsh View Post
    That answers the How, not the why thanks thou
    There is no why if this is the HOW...two people did NOT wreck it for everyone, everyone wrecked their lives for themselves.

    OR,
    the why is the absolute necessity of our free will to be able to properly fulfill HIS purpose in our creation, that is, to be HIS Bride in all holiness wherein true love, true holiness and a real marriage can only arise from a free will.

    But a free will that is restricted from not being able to reject HIS purpose, HIS love and HIS marriage proposal is not a free will at all.

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  • LeoTheLibrarian
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    Originally posted by ttruscott View Post

    I contend that GOD WOULD NEVER make us evil by putting us into Adam's sin or sin nature or what ever evil name you want to give to us for becoming conceived and born as human!.
    You make a great point. Humanity has something you feel has value.
    That "thing" is why people have love for each other. It's a combination
    of hormones and directed affection that we can control.

    Without our ability to love, we are just robots and reproduction animals.

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