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  • #31
    The Love Yahweh tells to have is a choice, a decision, of the will. Not an emotion nor a feeling (carnal/ fleshliy) .
    Originally posted by e v e View Post

    Sociopaths make decisions with no feelings at all. Why does scripture say He is Love? How can a person be Christian and be with no feeling ? Yet love the neighbor?
    A person cannot be a Christian without obedience, joyfully willingly DOing the Father's Will, trusting and relying on Him and His Power to accomplish all.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Jethro77 View Post
      The Love Yahweh tells to have is a choice, a decision, of the will. Not an emotion nor a feeling (carnal/ fleshliy) .

      A person cannot be a Christian without obedience, joyfully willingly DOing the Father's Will, trusting and relying on Him and His Power to accomplish all.
      Trust is not a mental thing, in the mind; it is in the heart, loving God and being vulnerable to His will...

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      • #33
        Originally posted by e v e View Post

        Trust is not a mental thing, in the mind; it is in the heart, loving God and being vulnerable to His will...
        That may be right, partly right, or wrong.

        In any case, it is a decision to make: As He Says: Choose TODAY who you will serve. Serve Yahweh with the whole heart, the whole mind, and with all your strength, nothing held back.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Jethro77 View Post

          That may be right, partly right, or wrong.

          In any case, it is a decision to make: As He Says: Choose TODAY who you will serve. Serve Yahweh with the whole heart, the whole mind, and with all your strength, nothing held back.
          Exactly the issue I want to hear in this discussion.

          So Jethro77, when you face a belief where you are betwixt between the mind and the heart, what is your basis to choose to follow that belief?

          From your previous post, you claim CERTAINTY of your beliefs, but as it is turning out you are aware and perhaps agree that you hold beliefs that are not purely mentally sound. I have to appeal for your honesty in this.
          Peace

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          • #35
            2 Timothy 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of timidity ... - Bible Hub

            https://biblehub.com/2_timothy/1-7.htm


            King James Bible For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
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            Go to Scripture for honesty, truth, righteousness, in all things. Test everything, including beliefs, by Scripture. If it doesn't pass the test of Scripture, it is not right nor good, no matter how the 'heart' feels.

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            • #36
              True, but there are people who are "everlearning but were never able to come to the knowledge of truth." We really ought not to measure spiritual maturity by the length of studying. It also gives the impression that those who studied in universities are more mature or learned of spiritual truth. Mind you, our belief in these things serves as foundation or basis in forming our main beliefs.


              Further we also know from Scripture that some authors of Scripture (Paul) for instance wrote things that are difficult to understand. Further when Jesus led the disciples on earth it is fairly clear that they fell far short of having a clear understanding of all that Jesus taught, even after the resurrection they did not have complete understanding.


              As Jesus said, "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power." There are things that are not revealed to us, and not all were given to know things that were given to others. Paul for instance did not communicate his gospel to the gentiles except to those in authority amongst the disciples.

              But consider our goal; " Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be NO MORE children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with EVERY wind of DOCTRINE, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; (Eph 4:13-14)"


              Fortunately most of us do not live on how much we know, but by faith in the One that knows all things. We can and should go to Him to gain wisdom. But where did people go to gain wisdom in the OT?


              OT people did not have the revelation of the godhead during their time. It was Christ who revealed to us the godhead. ONLY Christ have the revelation of the godhead, and he revealed the godhead to the apostles. (John 1:18)

              I infer that your ignorance of this issue would imply your lack of knowledge of the truth of the Godhead. You must have not known the very purpose of the gospel is to reveal the Godhead.


              Did they not go to the One that promised? What if the Jew didn't believe the One that promised?-----how were they going to recognize the Messiah if they didn't?


              Believing is not what saves us, rather it is WHAT we believe that saves us. The devils "believe" and tremble, but they are not saved. Read also what Paul said in Romans 10:1-3.

              In my study of the gospel, It gave me the implication that the knowledge of the godhead is given of God. Our salvation is knowing the godhead (John 17:3). If there were Jews that were saved during the time they were blinded, then it must be that God himself who gives the knowledge of the Godhead. I considered also that the revelation of the godhead was only given to man through Christ, then the people in the OT will be saved because they will be given the knowledge of the godhead in the resurrection.The elect are predestinated even before the world begun.




              Thine they were and Thou gavest them to Me. What does that mean to you?


              It mean that Christ will be the heir of God's works.


              [quote]Is our wisdom the same as God's wisdom?[quote]
              For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. (1Cor 2:16)


              Jesus said He knew who believed from the beginning, what did that mean when He was born 30 some years earlier and didn't take the public stage until age 30. Did Jesus know the heart of the religious leaders? Why did Jesus tell them they didn't believe the prophets? Did not God speak through the prophets? (Hebrews 1).



              Jesus knew what will happen of his ministry. He knew that he will be denied by the Israelites.. He knew things are predestined to happen, even those who will believe..


              The religious leaders claimed all kinds of wisdom-----yet said Jesus did His work by Beelzebub. Where did their supposed wisdom come from? It certainly wasn't from the Scriptures.


              What I can say is that it is God who gives the knowledge and understanding. And if you admit ignorance What does that really mean to you?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Philippians View Post
                Now, I want to ask, “Can you conscientiously believe that you are fairly representing the doctrines of God?
                Yes.

                Do you understand the ultimate consequences of presenting the doctrines you believed, its expediency and all, and the consequential punishment if you err in your belief?
                Yes

                Does your fearlesness to adhere to your belief a matter of heart?
                Lots of words, but little meaning.

                I noticed you AVOIDED the Word FAITH (the SUBSTANCE of what you hope for, and the EVIDENCE of what you don't see).

                Salvation IS BY FAITH, and specifically by FAITH (God's gift to you) in the perfect SIN OFFERING in Jesus' blood that REMOVES your SIN. You get THAT right, and everything falls into place nicely.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Jethro77 View Post

                  Where do you believe "the peace that passes understanding " comes from ?
                  It cones from WISDOM. Many quote the verse without knowing what it truly meant. Worst, just because they have the peace, they are convinced that they have surpassed understanding.

                  WISDOM is the USE of knowledge/understanding. Of course, we need to gain knowledge and understanding before wisdom comes to us. We Cannot exercise wisdom without knowledge and understanding. Wisdom is beyond understanding. Wisdom surpasseth understanding, and so we find true peace.

                  People who have gained wisdom are like those MATURED. The difference of the MATURE to the IMMATURE is their use of their knowledge and understanding. They may share the same knowledge and understanding, but they end up with different conclusions/judgments.


                  Where do you believe the "fearlessness" // > "boldness of a lion" comes from ? (maybe it's "boldness of the lion of the tribe of Judah" in the Bible)
                  Fearlesness may come from foolishness.

                  Peace

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                  • #39
                    What does Jesus say about fear ? Why were the faithful in Hebrews having no fear, even of any sudden fear ?

                    Does Jesus give Peace to anyone ?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

                      Yes.



                      Yes



                      Lots of words, but little meaning.

                      I noticed you AVOIDED the Word FAITH (the SUBSTANCE of what you hope for, and the EVIDENCE of what you don't see).

                      Salvation IS BY FAITH, and specifically by FAITH (God's gift to you) in the perfect SIN OFFERING in Jesus' blood that REMOVES your SIN. You get THAT right, and everything falls into place nicely.
                      I did not avoid the word FAITH. If one really understand the SPECIFIC FAITH that SAVES us, that FAITH is in the FORM of WISDOM. Faith is what we believe using our knowledge and understanding. And if your knowledge and understanding do not end in WISDOM, then you are merely a FANATIC.

                      If Christ would ask you if you REALLY UNDERSTAND that faith in the blood of Jesus, I doubt you could conscientiously affirm you understand. The way you did not understand the relationship of FAITH and WISDOM, makes me conclude you do not understand the mystery of salvation.
                      Peace

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Philippians View Post
                        Faith is what we believe using our knowledge and understanding.
                        Totally wrong. Biblical faith (having SUBSTANCE, and being an EVIDENCE) isn't belief based on "our Knowledge" or "Our understanding".

                        FAITH (including, and starting with SAVING FAITH) is revelatory from God by the Holy Spirit (Rom 10:17) and it's foundation is God's WORD to you.

                        "Makes me conclude"
                        "Conclude" whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy, 'ol buddy.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

                          Totally wrong. Biblical faith (having SUBSTANCE, and being an EVIDENCE) isn't belief based on "our Knowledge" or "Our understanding".

                          FAITH (including, and starting with SAVING FAITH) is revelatory from God by the Holy Spirit (Rom 10:17) and it's foundation is God's WORD to you.



                          "Conclude" whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy, 'ol buddy.
                          I wonder who between us is believing things by whatever that makes him feel warm and fuzzy. ... You are the one denying knowledge and understanding. How then do you judge yourself?

                          God’s Word is indeed a revelation. And it was given to us through the gospel. Unless you know and understand it, it would only come to you as parables. Reciting the preaching of the gospel does not imply having knowledge and understanding of it.

                          A believer needs to understand how could Christ’s sacrifice becomes effective in washing our sins. Even the Devils believe, but the Devils were not given to know the mysteries of God.

                          I believe that Wisdom is a gift of God. Unless God gives us wisdom, we will never understand the gospel.
                          Last edited by Philippians; 02-07-19, 01:41 AM.
                          Peace

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Philippians View Post
                            I believe that Wisdom is a gift of God.
                            As is FAITH

                            Unless God gives us wisdom, we will never understand the gospel.
                            True that.

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