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    Hell is a Place of Eternal Burning - Those Condemned Will Experience Hell Forever

    It is written in the Holy Bible:
    - eternal fire - Matthew 25:41
    - And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever - Revelation 14:11
    - where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched - Mark 9:48
    - eternal destruction - 2 Thessalonians 1:9 - This means the destruction will last forever. There will be no loss of awareness. Those condemned will experience hell forever, unending.

  • #2
    Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post
    Hell is a Place of Eternal Burning - Those Condemned Will Experience Hell Forever

    It is written in the Holy Bible:
    - eternal fire - Matthew 25:41
    - And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever - Revelation 14:11
    - where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched - Mark 9:48
    - eternal destruction - 2 Thessalonians 1:9 - This means the destruction will last forever. There will be no loss of awareness. Those condemned will experience hell forever, unending.

    So, you think 3 Lords burn trillions of Immortal Souls forever- giving worms eternal life and the ability to chew on Immortal Souls?
    And that "Destruction" means to "Preserve"?
    What church do you go to?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by GetREAL! View Post

      So, you think 3 Lords burn trillions of Immortal Souls forever- giving worms eternal life and the ability to chew on Immortal Souls?
      And that "Destruction" means to "Preserve"?
      What church do you go to?
      There is no acceptable way to interpret "eternal destruction" other than a destruction that will last forever. Hence, "eternal destruction".

      And there is no way the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, would council one falsely about the eternal purpose of hell.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post

        There is no acceptable way to interpret "eternal destruction" other than a destruction that will last forever. Hence, "eternal destruction".

        And there is no way the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, would council one falsely about the eternal purpose of hell.
        You are correct but I do not think you meant to be.

        Eternal destruction is exactly that, it is destroyed forever. It is not continuously destroyed, it is destroyed once, but this destruction is permanent for all eternity.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by A child of Christ View Post

          You are correct but I do not think you meant to be.

          Eternal destruction is exactly that, it is destroyed forever. It is not continuously destroyed, it is destroyed once, but this destruction is permanent for all eternity.
          One more try. Eternal destruction does not mean annihilation. It means an eternity of being destroyed.

          How can anyone know? One way is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, will tell you. Another is to compare the phase Eternal Destruction to other references about hell, for example, eternal fire. There's no reason for the fire to keep burning unless the condemned are in the lake of fire.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post

            One more try. Eternal destruction does not mean annihilation. It means an eternity of being destroyed.

            How can anyone know? One way is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, will tell you. Another is to compare the phase Eternal Destruction to other references about hell, for example, eternal fire. There's no reason for the fire to keep burning unless the condemned are in the lake of fire.
            Sodom and Gomorrha are the example of the eternal fire.

            Where is the continued smoke of their eternal burning?

            Jud_1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by A child of Christ View Post

              Sodom and Gomorrha are the example of the eternal fire.

              Where is the continued smoke of their eternal burning?

              Jud_1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
              There's no need for eternal fire unless souls are to be punished, tormented, or tortured for eternity.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post
                Hell is a Place of Eternal Burning - Those Condemned Will Experience Hell Forever

                It is written in the Holy Bible:
                - eternal fire - Matthew 25:41
                - And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever - Revelation 14:11
                - where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched - Mark 9:48
                - eternal destruction - 2 Thessalonians 1:9 - This means the destruction will last forever. There will be no loss of awareness. Those condemned will experience hell forever, unending.
                Who goes into hell? The Unsaved Dead right?
                Who are the Unsaved Dead?
                Aren't they those who walk the earth, without God's Spirit?
                Didn't Jesus tells us that unless you are born again from above to heavenly Jerusalem by the Spirit, then you are dead and can not enter into Life?
                Do you ever see anyone in this life going through Hell? Living a life of Hell, being tormented day and night never getting any peace?
                Jesus went through Hell as he was sold into the hands of ungodly man but was raised up on the third day which was the 7th Day Sabbath, and then at the end of the Sabbath at Saturday Sundown as it dawned the new day of the Week being the First Day, he appeared to Mary, then stood in the midst of the disciples sometime between Saturday sundown and midnight, being the First day of the week for Jews, but still the 7th day for Gentiles till midnight. Hell is in this earth and is what men go through when they walk contrary to Christ, the Word of Truth.

                Matt 8:22

                22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
                KJV


                Rev 11:18

                18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
                KJV

                1 Cor 15:29

                29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
                KJV

                Jude 19-23

                19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
                20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
                21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
                22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
                23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
                KJV
                Last edited by afaithfulone4u; 02-17-19, 05:03 PM.
                The purpose of my posts are not to cause bicker or division, but to show truth from the scripture for edifying of the soul. It does not matter what we think, it is what God's Word says that matters.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by afaithfulone4u View Post

                  Who goes into hell? The Unsaved Dead right?
                  Who are the Unsaved Dead?
                  Aren't they those who walk the earth, without God's Spirit?
                  Didn't Jesus tells us that unless you are born again from above to heavenly Jerusalem by the Spirit, then you are dead and can not enter into Life?
                  Do you ever see anyone in this life going through Hell? Living a life of Hell, being tormented day and night never getting any peace?
                  Jesus went through Hell as he was sold into the hands of ungodly man but was raised up on the third day which was the 7th Day Sabbath, and then at the end of the Sabbath at Saturday Sundown as it dawned the new day of the Week being the First Day, he appeared to Mary, then stood in the midst of the disciples sometime between Saturday sundown and midnight, being the First day of the week for Jews, but still the 7th day for Gentiles till midnight. Hell is in this earth and is what men go through when they walk contrary to Christ, the Word of Truth.

                  Matt 8:22

                  22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
                  KJV


                  Rev 11:18

                  18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
                  KJV

                  1 Cor 15:29

                  29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
                  KJV

                  Jude 19-23

                  19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
                  20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
                  21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
                  22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
                  23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
                  KJV
                  Hell remains a place of eternal burning. Those condemned will experience hell forever.

                  Your posting off topic will never change this biblical truth.

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                  • #10
                    There are different levels of hell, Some experience some struggles in life, while others are born into hell holes where there is no food nor clean water. It is not because God is a mean God and wants men to suffer. It is because they would rather worship rats, cows, elephants, carved statues being the works of their own hands, while using the True God's created trees or rocks, paint etc.. to create something to look at, claiming it is God. Like the idol worship of the image of Christ men have created for themselves, but yet it is not a picture of Jesus, but pure idolatry of men's minds.

                    God says that is when we turn to Him, the True God and seek Him, He will heal ones land, giving them RAINS for crops, Sunshine to help them grow, peace and safety in their lands, Healthy livestock for FOOD, not to worship, and He will keep all the diseases of hell that He puts upon the disobedient according to scripture from them when they REPENT of their sinful ways so that, like Jesus said, they would not be CAST INTO HELL in this life, and in the eternal life to come.

                    Can you think of a war that is not hell? The casualties of war says no one wins for evil only begets more evil. Funny thing is, Have you ever noticed that there are no bad guys in war? Nope, because they both think they are the good guy, while KILLING the so called bad guy who thinks they are the good guys. And destroying even Christian brethren, like Cain did his for gain.
                    Do you know who God's people are? Whosoever will call upon the Name of the Lord... His name is The Word of God!. In the beginning was The Word.....

                    2 Chron 7:14-15

                    14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

                    15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this pl
                    KJV

                    Ex 15:26

                    26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.
                    KJV
                    Last edited by 4Him; 02-17-19, 06:55 PM. Reason: no violation
                    The purpose of my posts are not to cause bicker or division, but to show truth from the scripture for edifying of the soul. It does not matter what we think, it is what God's Word says that matters.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GetREAL! View Post
                      What church do you go to?
                      It doesn't matter much, all modern church Israelites refuse to condemn the Amorites... Genesis 15:16 because of Joshua 6:21; 8:26,27; 10:40
                      I champion GOD’s holiness:
                      - GOD did not need evil so did not create evil for any reason.
                      - Evil is creature-created by their free will.

                      I champion Our Free will:
                      - All were created with a free will able to chose for HIM or against HIM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by A child of Christ View Post

                        You are correct but I do not think you meant to be.

                        Eternal destruction is exactly that, it is destroyed forever. It is not continuously destroyed, it is destroyed once, but this destruction is permanent for all eternity.
                        Do you have a verse for this definition or did you make it up? Other verses says the experience never ends, defining the word destroyed for us as perhaps continuously destroyed... And the experience of their eternal punishment is eternal, as eternal as the experience of our eternal life: Matt 25:46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
                        Last edited by ttruscott; 02-22-19, 07:29 PM.
                        I champion GOD’s holiness:
                        - GOD did not need evil so did not create evil for any reason.
                        - Evil is creature-created by their free will.

                        I champion Our Free will:
                        - All were created with a free will able to chose for HIM or against HIM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post

                          One more try. Eternal destruction does not mean annihilation. It means an eternity of being destroyed.

                          How can anyone know? One way is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, will tell you. Another is to compare the phase Eternal Destruction to other references about hell, for example, eternal fire. There's no reason for the fire to keep burning unless the condemned are in the lake of fire.
                          And the experience of their eternal punishment is eternal, as eternal as the experience of our eternal life: Matt 25:46And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
                          I champion GOD’s holiness:
                          - GOD did not need evil so did not create evil for any reason.
                          - Evil is creature-created by their free will.

                          I champion Our Free will:
                          - All were created with a free will able to chose for HIM or against HIM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ttruscott View Post

                            And the experience of their eternal punishment is eternal, as eternal as the experience of our eternal life: Matt 25:46And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
                            Agree.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by PraiseTheLord View Post
                              Hell is a Place of Eternal Burning - Those Condemned Will Experience Hell Forever

                              It is written in the Holy Bible:
                              - eternal fire - Matthew 25:41
                              - And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever - Revelation 14:11
                              - where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched - Mark 9:48
                              - eternal destruction - 2 Thessalonians 1:9 - This means the destruction will last forever. There will be no loss of awareness. Those condemned will experience hell forever, unending.
                              Forever is a period of time and there is no such thing as eternal fire. Only God is eternal and God gives eternal life but death is not eternal and death ceases which is why it is cast into the lake of fire and what is the end result but no death!

                              1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

                              1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

                              1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
                              Hades means the grave or the unseen or imperceptible meaning figuratively spiritually unconscious.

                              Hades is thrown in the lake of fire which represents Gehenna and figuratively it is God's consuming fire which purifies.

                              The second death is the defeat of the carnal mind which giving in to it causes death thus the second death is the defeat of the death condition caused by sin.

                              All go through the second death but the church goes through it first.

                              Now, the Gehenna fire goes out when all that causes death is consumed in the fire and death is no more.

                              Lots for you to think about!

                              God bless you,

                              SeventhDay
                              Last edited by SeventhDay; 02-23-19, 06:06 AM.

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