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Christian Women are to Keep Silent in the Churches

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  • #46
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    Originally posted by LeoTheLibrarian View Post
    the letters to the churches were not written with the intention that they become scripture.

    The apostle Paul's letters may not be scripture to you; but they certainly are to me; and to millions of others just like me.

    1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of The Lord.

    1Thess 4:1-2 . .We beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by The Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. For ye know what commandments we gave you by The Lord Jesus.

    Refusal to obey Christ as per the apostle Paul's letters is all the same as disobeying Christ. It's a domino effect all the way to the top.

    When speaking to his seventy special disciples (among them were his twelve apostles); Jesus said:

    Luke 10:16 . .Whoever listens to you; listens to me. Whoever rejects you; rejects me. And whoever rejects me; rejects the one who sent me.

    The apostle Peter validated the apostle Paul's writings and classified them as scripture.

    2Pet 3:15-16 . .Our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
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    Last edited by Od:hgd; 05-11-19, 11:17 AM.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by LeoTheLibrarian View Post

      Paul's writings were not intended to become scripture.
      Except that they ARE "Scripture". Are you "just another" Bible Mutilator??

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      • #48
        Originally posted by LeoTheLibrarian View Post

        It's like I keep saying, the letters to the churches were not written with the intention that they become scripture.
        The same with anything Paul wrote to anyone. But "Christian Leaders" became fond of his self-righteous
        arrogance so they didn't discard his writings as they should have. Paul never saw Jesus "apply" His Faith
        to the real world as His disiples did, so he got a number of things wrong. Everything he wrote is suspect.
        Especially all of his treatment of "others". Even the people he used to persecute.
        Ignorance of historical fact and being poorly taught produces your perspective.


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        • #49
          Originally posted by GeneZ View Post
          Ignorance of historical fact and being poorly taught produces your perspective.
          All past events are based on faith in the story teller, alone.
          My pastor gave non-biblical sermons, I left and never returned.
          You are the only teacher I have Gene.
          - Do for others as you would want them to do for you: this is the foundation of the Law of Moses and of the teachings of the prophets. -

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

            Except that they ARE "Scripture". Are you "just another" Bible Mutilator??
            But he did not write them intending that they become scripture.
            And I don't know that he has given permission for them to be used as such.
            I'm just stating the facts as I read them in scripture.
            He doesn't seem to have signed his writings or given permission for them to be used as part of the Bible.
            - Do for others as you would want them to do for you: this is the foundation of the Law of Moses and of the teachings of the prophets. -

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            • #51
              Originally posted by LeoTheLibrarian View Post

              All past events are based on faith in the story teller, alone.
              My pastor gave non-biblical sermons, I left and never returned.
              You are the only teacher I have Gene.
              Your pastor? There is only one? "Seek and you shall find."

              You are saying God can not provide you a good pastor teacher if its truth you truly seek, and not a coward in the spiritual war as one who surrenders and hides in a cave of his own opinions?

              You need to fight the good fight. So far, you act as if you are a self inflicted casualty of war. There are not many good pastors. Only a few. James 3:1....

              So you quit seeking? And, project your cynicism upon others who are finding?

              I sensed something about you. You need a spiritual drill sergeant to get you moving and to show you what you are capable of becoming in the Lord.

              But... not everybody taps into the grace of God. They think it all depends upon their own ability to work things out... and, call it quits.

              You want a good pastor teacher? Here is one who will charge nothing for excellent lessons. That is why I recommend him. https://rbthieme.org/index.html#tabs-3

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              • #52
                Originally posted by GeneZ View Post
                Your pastor? There is only one? "Seek and you shall find."
                You are saying God can not provide you a good pastor teacher if its truth you truly seek, and not a coward in the spiritual war as one who surrenders and hides in a cave of his own opinions?You need to fight the good fight. So far, you act as if you are a self inflicted casualty of war. There are not many good pastors. Only a few. James 3:1....So you quit seeking? And, project your cynicism upon others who are finding?I sensed something about you. You need a spiritual drill sergeant to get you moving and to show you what you are capable of becoming in the Lord.But... not everybody taps into the grace of God. They think it all depends upon their own ability to work things out... and, call it quits.You want a good pastor teacher? Here is one who will charge nothing for excellent lessons. That is why I recommend him. https://rbthieme.org/index.html#tabs-3
                My current Spiritual Helper was sent by Jesus and asks only everything in return.
                Thanks for the offer anyway. I was born again into the Spirit about 25 years ago.
                - Do for others as you would want them to do for you: this is the foundation of the Law of Moses and of the teachings of the prophets. -

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by LeoTheLibrarian View Post
                  My current Spiritual Helper was sent by Jesus and asks only everything in return.
                  Thanks for the offer anyway. I was born again into the Spirit about 25 years ago.

                  Am I to assume that you mean by that? Its you and the Holy Spirit? No one one else?



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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by GeneZ View Post

                    Paul was not telling that kind of woman to be silent.
                    Plz explain.
                    Fear God and keep his commandments,
                    for this is the duty of ALL mankind. Ecc 12: 13

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

                      SO then why were there Christian Women who were PROPHETS in the Jerusalem church??? ANd Priscilla didn't appear to be particularly "silent" either. What's your "Work around" for that???
                      Your spiritual father Paul ( 1st Cor 4: 15) is crystal clear! He DOES NOT PERMIT women to speak in church!,


                      1 Timothy 2:11-12 New International Version (NIV)
                      11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I DO NOT PERMIT a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet.


                      ~=~=~=~=~~=~=~


                      1 Corinthians 14:34-35 New International Version (NIV)
                      34 Women[a] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.[b]
                      Last edited by DANNO; 05-15-19, 05:57 AM.
                      Fear God and keep his commandments,
                      for this is the duty of ALL mankind. Ecc 12: 13

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by DANNO View Post
                        Your spiritual father Paul
                        PSST!!! Paul isn't my "Spiritual father". I have another.

                        You're funny in your confusion!!. Learn the REASON Paul gave the instructions he did - they make PERFECT SENSE. But since there's a "Blessed virgin", obviously he wasn't completely successful.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

                          PSST!!! Paul isn't my "Spiritual father". I have another.

                          You're funny in your confusion!!. Learn the REASON Paul gave the instructions he did - they make PERFECT SENSE. But since there's a "Blessed virgin", obviously he wasn't completely successful.
                          PSST!!! Paul said he is! Or do you think he was your biological father ?😀👍


                          1 Corinthians 4:15 New International Version (NIV)
                          15 "Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I BECAME YOUR FATHER through the gospel"
                          Fear God and keep his commandments,
                          for this is the duty of ALL mankind. Ecc 12: 13

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by DANNO View Post
                            PSST!!! Paul said he is!
                            AWWW your "Angel of Light" couldn't even get THAT right!! You do realize it was the Corinthians Paul was talking to, don't you???

                            Context, context, context!!!!!!

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by DANNO View Post
                              Plz explain.
                              They were coming out of a crude and bawdy culture. They had no manners like we now have in a Christianized culture.

                              The Corinthians were accustomed to having ritualistic sexual relations for their pagan gods ... and not necessarily with just their husbands. Even with animals!

                              Ever wonder why it had to be taught one husband for one wife? They were coming out of a horribly immoral world! It made them rude and insensitive towards others.

                              Imagine someone like Madonna attending this new thing called the Christian church? She would have to be told to sit down and be quiet when something she did not like was being taught. There were really raunchy people in the Corinthian church! Paul was not telling well behaved Christian women like we have today to keep their mouths shut, nor to ever speak in church.

                              Here is an example of the raunchy kind of bawdy thinking the people people Paul had to bring into becoming civilized as we now know it today...

                              Look at the following!


                              "It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you,
                              and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping
                              with his fathers wife.
                              And you are proud and arrogant! ! 1 Corinthians 5:1-2



                              Did you have any idea what kind of the setting Paul was working in? To think he was simply wanting to tell all women to never speak, nor teach a man anything? Is naive to think. That is what happens when there is a lack of understanding the context of why Paul needed to put his foot down with this raunchy. loud, and very rude people!

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by DANNO View Post

                                PSST!!! Paul said he is! Or do you think he was your biological father ?😀👍


                                1 Corinthians 4:15 New International Version (NIV)
                                15 "Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I BECAME YOUR FATHER through the gospel"
                                How old are you? You were there and Paul lead you to the Lord with the Gospel?

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