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  • Does Daniel's seventieth week last for 7 solar years, or...

    Originally posted by Rod.ney View Post

    What I posted is 100% accurate when those 69 weeks ( 483 Prophetic or Biblical years of 360 days ) are converted into our SOLAR years of 365.25 days to come up with 476 solar years to move forward from 444/445 BC when the decree was issued to restore & rebuild Jerusalem during troublesome times in Nehemiah chapter Two in conjunction with Dan.9:25! Dan.9:27 ( the Final 7 years ) will start at the END of the age of grace ( Church age ) when 1 Thess.4:14-17 transpires! Had national Israel accepted Jesus as their Messiah when He made His Triumphal entry then there would NOT have been the need for the church age!

    Christians have always believed that the Bible uses a lunisolar calendar of 12 or 13 months of 29 or 30 days each. Each month begins with a new moon, and about every third year a leap month is added to keep the festivals in the same time of the solar year.

    But 125 years ago, the famed Dispensationalist Sir Robert Anderson came up with what he calls "Biblical years" which always have 360 days.


    Q. Does Daniel's seventieth week last for 7 solar years, or does it last for 6 solar years plus 10 months and 3 weeks?

    Note: 7 "Biblical years" of 360 days each would be 2,520 days (7 x 360), which would be 6 solar years plus 10 months and 3 weeks (2,520 / 365.25).

    A. I believe Daniel's seventieth week lasted for 7 solar years.


    If you also answer 7 solar years...

    Please post a verse from the Bible where the word "year" refers to 360 days instead of a solar year, if you can.

    I cannot.
    God our father is the holy spirit called the LORD, and Jesus is the LORD in the flesh.

    The LORD is God Dt 6:4 The LORD is our father Is 64:8 The LORD is holy Is 6:3 God is spirit Jn 4:24 God manifest in the flesh 1 Ti 3:16 Jesus is Lord 1 Co 12:3

  • #2
    Originally posted by Presentist View Post

    Q. Does Daniel's seventieth week last for 7 solar years, or does it last for 6 solar years plus 10 months and 3 weeks?

    Bumped for Rod.ney

    God our father is the holy spirit called the LORD, and Jesus is the LORD in the flesh.

    The LORD is God Dt 6:4 The LORD is our father Is 64:8 The LORD is holy Is 6:3 God is spirit Jn 4:24 God manifest in the flesh 1 Ti 3:16 Jesus is Lord 1 Co 12:3

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Presentist View Post


      Christians have always believed that the Bible uses a lunisolar calendar of 12 or 13 months of 29 or 30 days each. Each month begins with a new moon, and about every third year a leap month is added to keep the festivals in the same time of the solar year.

      But 125 years ago, the famed Dispensationalist Sir Robert Anderson came up with what he calls "Biblical years" which always have 360 days.


      Q. Does Daniel's seventieth week last for 7 solar years, or does it last for 6 solar years plus 10 months and 3 weeks?

      Note: 7 "Biblical years" of 360 days each would be 2,520 days (7 x 360), which would be 6 solar years plus 10 months and 3 weeks (2,520 / 365.25).

      A. I believe Daniel's seventieth week lasted for 7 solar years.


      If you also answer 7 solar years...

      Please post a verse from the Bible where the word "year" refers to 360 days instead of a solar year, if you can.

      I cannot.
      Lunar years of 360 days per year. The 9th chapter starts the 70 weeks, and the longer 2300 year prophecy, at the same decree of Artaxerxes of Ezra 7 in 457 BC and ends in the 69th week with the baptism and anointing of Jesus in 27 AD. In the middle of the 70th week Jesus is crucified, cut off, for all mankind. He is resurrected and returns to heaven and the 70th week ends in 33 AD with the stoning of Stephen. Then there are 1800 years yet to go after the stoning of Stephen to the fulfillment of the cleansing of the sanctuary.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Greg Goodchild View Post

        Lunar years of 360 days per year. The 9th chapter starts the 70 weeks, and the longer 2300 year prophecy, at the same decree of Artaxerxes of Ezra 7 in 457 BC and ends in the 69th week with the baptism and anointing of Jesus in 27 AD. In the middle of the 70th week Jesus is crucified, cut off, for all mankind. He is resurrected and returns to heaven and the 70th week ends in 33 AD with the stoning of Stephen.

        But... 69 weeks of years with 360 days per year equates to 476 solar years.

        ( 69 x 7 x 360 ) / 365.25 = 476

        And... 476 solar years from 457 BC would bring you to AD 20, not AD 27.

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        Last edited by Presentist; 06-06-19, 05:04 PM.
        God our father is the holy spirit called the LORD, and Jesus is the LORD in the flesh.

        The LORD is God Dt 6:4 The LORD is our father Is 64:8 The LORD is holy Is 6:3 God is spirit Jn 4:24 God manifest in the flesh 1 Ti 3:16 Jesus is Lord 1 Co 12:3

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        • #5
          Hey just wanted to ask presentist:

          Are you aware that the earliest commentary in the church fathers works (Hippolytus, who had contact with the apostle John), favours the dispensational view as put forward by Darby?

          Whatever Hippolytus, and irenaeus who quoted him, believed a year to be is what Sir Robert Anderson and chafer, Darby and etc., also believed a year to be.
          Last edited by lamentations__3_25; 06-06-19, 09:15 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lamentations__3_25 View Post
            Hey just wanted to ask presentist:

            Are you aware that the earliest commentary in the church fathers works (Hippolytus, who had contact with the apostle John), favours the dispensational view as put forward by Darby?

            Whatever Hippolytus, and irenaeus who quoted him, believed a year to be is what Sir Robert Anderson and chafer, Darby and etc., also believed a year to be.

            I have heard that claim, but I do not believe it since the reason Sir Robert Anderson's book was so popular is because he had come up with a new solution to the Dispensational time problem.

            So can you post a link to the writing of Hippolytus that you are referring to? Perhaps you referring to this writing by Hippolytus of Rome.



            And, can you answer the question of this thread...

            Does Daniel's seventieth week last for 7 solar years, or does it last for 6 solar years plus 10 months and 3 weeks?



            Hey just wanted to ask lamentations__3_25

            Are you aware that in 1920, the famous Dispensationalist Clarence Larkin wrote a book called "Dispensational Truth" where he admits on page 5...

            In its present form [the "Futurist School"] may be said to have originated at the end of the Sixteenth Century, with the Jesuit Ribera, who, actuated by the same motive as the Jesuit Alcazar, sought to rid the Papacy of the stigma of being called the "Antichrist," and so referred the prophecies of the Apocalypse to the distant future. This view was accepted by the Roman Catholic Church and was for a long time confined to it. but, strange to say, it has wonderfully revived since the beginning of the Nineteenth Century, and that among Protestants...

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            Last edited by Presentist; 06-07-19, 07:01 PM.
            God our father is the holy spirit called the LORD, and Jesus is the LORD in the flesh.

            The LORD is God Dt 6:4 The LORD is our father Is 64:8 The LORD is holy Is 6:3 God is spirit Jn 4:24 God manifest in the flesh 1 Ti 3:16 Jesus is Lord 1 Co 12:3

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Presentist View Post


              But... 69 weeks of years with 360 days per year equates to 476 solar years.

              ( 69 x 7 x 360 ) / 365.25 = 476

              And... 476 solar years from 457 BC would bring you to AD 20, not AD 27.

              .
              In your opinion how do we get from 457 BC to 27 AD with the anointing of Messiah?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Presentist View Post

                So can you post a link to the writing of Hippolytus that you are referring to? Perhaps you referring to this writing by Hippolytus of Rome.
                heres a couple links:

                https://www.biblestudytools.com/comm...pretation.html

                https://www.raptureready.com/2011/02...by-thomas-ice/



                Originally posted by Presentist View Post
                And, can you answer the question of this thread...

                Does Daniel's seventieth week last for 7 solar years, or does it last for 6 solar years plus 10 months and...
                Going off of my post, obviously no. My answer is in my post. Just because it doesnít agree with yours doesnít mean itís not an answer, so donít ask me to answer your question, as if I didnít.

                Originally posted by Presentist View Post
                Hey just wanted to ask lamentations__3_25

                Are you aware that in 1920, the famous Dispensationalist Clarence Larkin wrote a book called "Dispensational Truth" where he admits on page 5...

                In its present form [the "Futurist School"] may be said to have originated at the end of the Sixteenth Century, with the Jesuit Ribera, who, actuated by the same motive as the Jesuit Alcazar, sought to rid the Papacy of the stigma of being called the "Antichrist," and so referred the prophecies of the Apocalypse to the distant future. This view was accepted by the Roman Catholic Church and was for a long time confined to it. but, strange to say, it has wonderfully revived since the beginning of the Nineteenth Century, and that among Protestants...

                .
                Just because dispensationalism, in all its array, may agree with some philosophy of other denominations of Christendom, doesnít mean that it holds to everything the Roman Catholic Church holds to. Are you aware that ancient Arians believed similarity about the Deity of Christ as modern day Jehovahís witnesses? Does that make them one and the same? No. Both held different beliefs about other areas. Speaking of overgeneralizing though, did you know that Luther was extremely anti-Semitic, and was probably a strong source of the antisemitism we saw in world war 2? Are you aware that Catholics confess Christ as Lord, believe in his resurrection and teach a slew of other correct doctrines? Iím not concerned if dispensationalism holds similar philosophies with the Roman Catholic Church, and Iím careful to consider everything Lutheran or Calvin-ish ďcorrectĒ and everything catholic ďevil.Ē

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Presentist View Post


                  Christians have always believed that the Bible uses a lunisolar calendar of 12 or 13 months of 29 or 30 days each. Each month begins with a new moon, and about every third year a leap month is added to keep the festivals in the same time of the solar year.

                  But 125 years ago, the famed Dispensationalist Sir Robert Anderson came up with what he calls "Biblical years" which always have 360 days.


                  Q. Does Daniel's seventieth week last for 7 solar years, or does it last for 6 solar years plus 10 months and 3 weeks?

                  Note: 7 "Biblical years" of 360 days each would be 2,520 days (7 x 360), which would be 6 solar years plus 10 months and 3 weeks (2,520 / 365.25).

                  A. I believe Daniel's seventieth week lasted for 7 solar years.


                  If you also answer 7 solar years...

                  Please post a verse from the Bible where the word "year" refers to 360 days instead of a solar year, if you can.

                  I cannot.
                  Sure, the 42 Months ( 3.5 Years ) in Rev.11:2 is referenced as 1,260 days in verse 3, as the TWO Witnesses prophesy for those SAME 42 months before getting killed at the END of those 42 months or 1,260 days! Now do the MATH from those scriptures ( Rev.11:2-3 ) and one comes up with EXACTLY 360 days each in those Prophetic or Biblical years ( 3.5 of them )! 1,260 days divided by 3.5 years ( the 42 Months ) = 360 days each in those 3.5 years!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Presentist View Post


                    Christians have always believed that the Bible uses a lunisolar calendar of 12 or 13 months of 29 or 30 days each. Each month begins with a new moon, and about every third year a leap month is added to keep the festivals in the same time of the solar year.

                    But 125 years ago, the famed Dispensationalist Sir Robert Anderson came up with what he calls "Biblical years" which always have 360 days.


                    Q. Does Daniel's seventieth week last for 7 solar years, or does it last for 6 solar years plus 10 months and 3 weeks?
                    Spurgeon said of Robert Anderson, that his book Human Destiny, was "the most valuable contribution on the subject" (Couch, Dictionary of Premillennial Theology, p. 42). Anderson was Chief of the London Criminal Investigation Department. "He retired in 1901, after serving with distinction" (ibid.). That all being said, "[though] more recent work in Bible chronology [may] shed new light on Anderson's prophetic calculations, his work stands as a classic in the attempt to understand Daniel's datings" (ibid., p. 43).

                    It sounds like you, however are just making a big mess of things. Do you really believe that Daniel's 70th seven is "6 solar years plus 10 months and 3 weeks"? If so, there are other days that are spelled out as days in Daniel and the book of Revelation that simply don't add up with your reduced number of days.

                    And besides, there's always Hippolytus and Iranaeus' ancient testimony of Daniel's 70 sevens, that agree with modern dispensationalism.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Presentist View Post


                      Christians have always believed that the Bible uses a lunisolar calendar of 12 or 13 months of 29 or 30 days each. Each month begins with a new moon, and about every third year a leap month is added to keep the festivals in the same time of the solar year.

                      But 125 years ago, the famed Dispensationalist Sir Robert Anderson came up with what he calls "Biblical years" which always have 360 days.


                      Q. Does Daniel's seventieth week last for 7 solar years, or does it last for 6 solar years plus 10 months and 3 weeks?
                      Presentist, according to the Seder Olam Rabbah, which is the oldest rabbinic tradition of Daniel known, the 70 weeks are interpreted as periods of 7 years. "In chapter 28 of this work, the first seven weeks are related to the Exile and return, the next sixty-two weeks are in the land, and the final week predicts a period partially spent in the land and partially spent in exile..." (Couch, Dictionary of Premillennial Theology, p. 79). Famous ancient and not so ancient Jewish rabbis and scholars (Josephus, Rashi, Targum Jonathan, Qumran Scroll, Abarbanel, Metzudos, Ibn Ezra, etc), held this seven to be a period of seven years, not your proposed lunar years.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by lamentations__3_25 View Post

                        Presentist, according to the Seder Olam Rabbah, which is the oldest rabbinic tradition of Daniel known, the 70 weeks are interpreted as periods of 7 years. "In chapter 28 of this work, the first seven weeks are related to the Exile and return, the next sixty-two weeks are in the land, and the final week predicts a period partially spent in the land and partially spent in exile..." (Couch, Dictionary of Premillennial Theology, p. 79). Famous ancient and not so ancient Jewish rabbis and scholars (Josephus, Rashi, Targum Jonathan, Qumran Scroll, Abarbanel, Metzudos, Ibn Ezra, etc), held this seven to be a period of seven years, not your proposed lunar years.

                        It is a simple question, assuming that you know what a "solar year" is.

                        Does Daniel's seventieth week last for 7 solar years, or does it last for 6 solar years plus 10 months and 3 weeks?

                        In other words...

                        When would the seventieth week end if it started January 1, 2020?

                        A) January 1, 2027... 2,557 days later (7 solar years)
                        B) November 25, 2026... 2,520 days later (6 solar years plus 10 months and 3 weeks)


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Presentist

                          Q. Does Daniel's seventieth week last for 7 solar years, or does it last for 6 solar years plus 10 months and 3 weeks?
                          It lasted 7 solar years. The ancient Hebrew calendar adjusted their lunar calendar with a leap year containing an extra months about three yearly to bring it into line with the sun. Sometimes we hear that the Bible makes no mention of an extra month being added, but this is not quite right. Although not explicitly mentioned, we can find a luni-solar formula in both Old and New Testament writings. Also, the Dead Sea scrolls write a lot on it.

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