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  • #61
    Originally posted by praise_yeshua View Post

    I answered your question. I said Jesus was a male during His advent.

    I asked IF Jesus is still a male now?

    It is a simple question that you're side stepping. I haven't side stepped anything.
    When Jesus appeared to His disciples after His resurrection, He was in His Heavenly body. He walked through a wall, and disappeared from their sight. He ascended up to Heaven out of their sight. That was clearly not His earthly body, yet He was STILL a male..............in His Heavenly body.

    When He returns to earth the second time in the Book of Revelation, HE is riding a White Horse, and HE IS A MALE.................

    Revelation 19:

    11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

    12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

    13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

    14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

    15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

    16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.


    I sometimes wonder if you are really serious with your comments, or you're just trying to argue, because what you're posting in incredibly strange.
    Last edited by AWANA; 02-12-18, 05:43 PM.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by AWANA View Post

      When Jesus appeared to His disciples after His resurrection, He was in His Heavenly body. He walked through a wall, and disappeared from their sight. That was not His earthly body, yet He was STILL a male..............in His Heavenly body.

      I sometimes wonder if you are really serious with your comments, or you're just trying to argue, because what you're posting in incredibly weird.
      Wierd?

      I just want the Truth.

      Jesus had not yet been glorified. See. I've spent a very long time refining my beliefs. I've subjected them to scrutiny for many years to many people. I know where I'm going before I take a step in that direction.

      Jesus has been glorified and is sitting at the right-hand of God highly exalted.

      So tell me again. Right now is Jesus a male?

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      • #63
        Originally posted by praise_yeshua View Post

        Wierd?

        I just want the Truth.

        Jesus had not yet been glorified. See. I've spent a very long time refining my beliefs. I've subjected them to scrutiny for many years to many people. I know where I'm going before I take a step in that direction.

        Jesus has been glorified and is sitting at the right-hand of God highly exalted.

        So tell me again. Right now is Jesus a male?
        Yes........



        When He returns to earth the second time in the Book of Revelation, HE is riding a White Horse, and HE IS A MALE.................

        Revelation 19:

        11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

        12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

        13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

        14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

        15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

        16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.


        Your argue against Scripture.......be careful.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by AWANA View Post

          Yes........



          When He returns to earth the second time in the Book of Revelation, HE is riding a White Horse, and HE IS A MALE.................

          Revelation 19:

          11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

          12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

          13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

          14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

          15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

          16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.


          Your argue against Scripture.......be careful.
          I'm not arguing against Scripture. I'm not afraid.

          So Jesus is a perpetual male throughout eternity?

          Again. In this case, the metaphorical classification is "he". There is no indication that Jesus is literally a male. Non. In fact, this contrary to what Jesus Himself said...

          Luk 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
          Luk 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
          Luk 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

          You have a nice Mormon doctrine building there Awana. You might want to reconsider your theology.

          Just so we are clear. I want you to tell me that Jesus.... right now...... is a male. That he could have children with a female with his male organ. That Jesus literally has male seed in His Eternal body?

          Don't shy away. Make the case that Jesus is really a male right this instant.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by praise_yeshua View Post

            ................ Make the case that Jesus is really a male right this instant.
            Already did that. Read my last two posts.I won't waste anymore time with your nonsense. I'm really not sure just "what" you believe, but I find your last post about Jesus highly offensive. God bless, and so long.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by AWANA View Post

              Already did that. Read my last two posts.I won't waste anymore time with your nonsense. I'm really not sure just "what" you believe, but I find your last post about Jesus highly offensive. God bless, and so long.
              You simply posted verses that said "he" or "him". I told you such statements are metaphorical references to relate to us in terms we can understand. Jesus, at this very moment, is not a human male fully capable to having a relationship with a female.

              What is offends you about it?

              I was very clear and to the point. No holding back. Nothing to hide.....

              It appears you just don't want to have a meaning debate on the subject.

              Since you don't want to deal accurately with the what I wrote earlier.... maybe we can come at it form another perspective.

              What happens to a male when he becomes a eunuch?

              Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

              Is a eunuch a male?

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              • #67
                https://carm.org/jesus-is-a-man




                One of the lesser-known biblical doctrines concerns Jesus as a man right now. Many do not know that right now in heaven Jesus is a man though in a glorified body. Some object to this and cite various reasons (answered at the end of this paper) for denying His present humanity. They are in error. Following is a biblical demonstration that Jesus is still both divine and human in nature:

                It is biblically correct to say that Jesus is a man right now in heaven--though a glorified man . But, it would be wrong to say He was only a man. He is both divine and human in nature at the same time (Col. 2:9); He is both God and man right now.

                Furthermore, Jesus' humanity now is important for two reasons. First, this is what the Bibleteaches. Second, as a man, Jesus is a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. As a priest He forever intercedes for us.
                • "where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek." (Heb. 6:20).
                • "Hence, also, He is able to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them." (Heb. 7:25).
                In order to be a priest, Jesus has to be a man. A spirit cannot be a priest after the order of Melchizedek; and if Jesus is not a man now, He could not hold His priesthood, and He could not be forever interceding for us. Therefore, to deny Jesus' present humanity is to deny His priesthood and His intercession on our behalf. Without His intercession, we are lost.
                1. Jesus died
                  1. There is no dispute that Jesus died on the cross--except for some non-Christian religions and various atheistic groups who deny the biblical record. Nevertheless, the scriptures teach us that Jesus died.
                    1. "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus." (1 Thess. 4:14).
                2. Jesus rose from the dead physically
                  1. The bible teaches us that Jesus rose from the dead. Unfortunately, some Christians are not aware that Jesus actually rose from the dead in the same body in which He died though it was a glorified body. We see that Jesus prophesied the resurrection of His physical body in John 2:19-21 and fulfilled this in other verses:
                    1. "Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20 The Jews therefore said, "It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?" 21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body." (John 2:19-21).
                    2. "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." (Luke 24:39).
                    3. "When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst, and said to them, "Peace be with you." 20 And when He had said this, He showed them both His hands and His side. The disciples therefore rejoiced when they saw the Lord." (John 20:19-20).
                      "Then He *said to Thomas, "Reach here your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand, and put it into My side; and be not unbelieving, but believing." (John 20:27).
                    4. "and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain." (1 Cor. 15:14).
                      1. Merely asserting that Jesus rose is not enough. It must be stated that Jesus rose physically lest the very words of Christ be denied.
                3. After Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection
                  1. Jesus appeared to various people to demonstrate that He had risen physically. In these verses we see that Jesus said He would raise the temple of His body. This He did, and the body He rose in was the same one He died in since it retained the physical wounds of His crucifixion--He still had holes in His hands and side!
                  2. I would like to note here that if anyone denies the resurrection of Christ, his faith is in vain; and he is not a true Christian. It is not enough to say that Jesus rose. You must acknowledge that He rose physically. A "spirit" resurrection is not a resurrection of the body; and without the resurrection of the body of Christ, death has not been conquered, and our faith would be in vain.
                4. Jesus' resurrected body was a glorified body
                  1. Jesus rose from the dead physically in the same body in which He died. But, what kind of a body was this physical body in which He rose? Was it subject to death again? Would it grow tired or grow old? The Bible tells us about the resurrected body of which all Christians will receive in the future.
                    1. "But someone will say, "How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come? . . . 40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth, earthly; the second man is from heaven. 48 As is the earthly, so also are those who are earthly; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly." (1 Cor. 15:35, 40-49).
                    2. These verses tell us that something happens to the body that is raised from the dead. Notice that verse 44 says that "it is sown a natural body. It is raised a spiritual body." The same body that is sown (dies) is raised. The natural body is the body with which we are born. The natural body dies and is raised from the dead. But, when it is raised, it is changed into a spiritual body. The resurrected body is different from the natural body in its abilities and qualities as Jesus demonstrated; however, and this is vitally important, it is the same body as before--only "improved," "glorified," "spiritualized," etc. We see this in the fact that Jesus retained the wounds of His crucifixion as evidenced by the holes in His hands and side (John 20:27), yet He was able to simply appear in a room with the disciples without entering through the door (John 20:19-20). He was raised in the same body He died in though it had been glorified.
                5. Jesus is a man in a glorified body.
                  1. We have already seen that Jesus was raised from the dead in the same body in which He died, but that body is a resurrected body. However, some people believe that at Jesus' ascension, He was somehow changed, and His physical body was no longer needed. But, this is not what the Bible teaches. There is no place where it states that Jesus stopped being a man. If anything, the New Testament says He is still a man.
                    1. "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form," (Col. 2:9).
                    2. "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." (1 Tim. 2:5).
                      1. We see here that Jesus is called a man. Like Col. 2:9 above, this verse uses the present tense ("is"). It clearly states that Jesus is a man.
                    3. "And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as a dead man. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, 18 and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades." (Rev. 1:17-18).
                  2. Notice that in Col. 2:9 it speaks in the present tense ("dwells"). Colossians was written well after Jesus' ascension into heaven, yet Paul tells us that Jesus is in bodily form. What body would that be? Why, it would be the same body in which He was raised. To clarify that Jesus is a man, read the next verse. In Rev. 1:17-18, Jesus is in heaven, and John the Apostle falls at Jesus' feet; and Jesus laid His right hand on him. Clearly, from these verses we can see that Jesus is in bodily form as a man.
                6. Objections Answered
                  1. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. Some argue that the Bible says that flesh and blood cannot go to heaven as is stated in 1 Cor. 15:50, "Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."
                    1. The term "flesh and blood" is a phrase used to designate the natural state even the carnal state of man.
                      1. "And Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven." (Matt. 16:17).
                      2. "to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood," (Gal. 1:16).
                      3. "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places." (Eph. 6:12).
                      4. "Since then the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil," (Heb. 2:14).
                  2. After the resurrection, Jesus said, "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." (Luke 24:39). Jesus specifically stated that He had flesh and bones--not flesh and blood. This may seem like a word game, but it is not. Every word is inspired in the Bible, and Jesus chose His words for a reason. Remember, Jesus' blood was drained out of His body on the cross. It is His shed blood that cleanses us of our sins: "but if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin." (1 John 1:7). Jesus was the sacrifice, and His blood cleanses us. Therefore, flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, but flesh and bones can.
                  3. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1 Cor. 15:45 says, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." This verse is not saying that Jesus is without a body, but that He is a life-giving spirit. That is, as the last Adam, He is the one who gives life to people (John 10:27-28). Furthermore, it is designating that Jesus' resurrected body is equipped to be in both the physical realm and the spiritual.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by AWANA View Post
                  https://carm.org/jesus-is-a-man


                  Furthermore, Jesus' humanity now is important for two reasons. First, this is what the Bibleteaches. Second, as a man, Jesus is a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. As a priest He forever intercedes for us.
                  • "where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek." (Heb. 6:20).
                  • "Hence, also, He is able to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them." (Heb. 7:25).
                  In order to be a priest, Jesus has to be a man. A spirit cannot be a priest after the order of Melchizedek; and if Jesus is not a man now, He could not hold His priesthood, and He could not be forever interceding for us. Therefore, to deny Jesus' present humanity is to deny His priesthood and His intercession on our behalf. Without His intercession, we are lost.
                  So you're going to really take this position from beginning to end?

                  Lets begin..

                  The author is adding words to the "mouth" of the writer of Hebrews. The author of Hebrews was not making the argument that Jesus was Eternally a male. Yet this author makes that exact argument. Mistake #1.

                  The author also ignored the fact that the writer of Hebrews quotes a passage that say that Jesus is forever made a Priest. '

                  If "Priest" and "male" are irrevocably required, then there are many BIG problems with many Scriptures. I'll mention just one....

                  Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
                  Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


                  I would like for you to boldly declare that only males born into the family of God can be kings and Priests as witnessed by Rev 1:6?



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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by praise_yeshua View Post



                    The author is adding words to the "mouth" of the writer of Hebrews. ...... Yet this author makes that exact argument. Mistake #1.

                    The author also ignored the fact that the writer of Hebrews quotes a passage that say that Jesus is forever made a Priest. '

                    The "author" is Matt Slick. The owner of this site. Take it up with him.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by AWANA View Post


                      The "author" is Matt Slick. The owner of this site. Take it up with him.
                      Why did you post it if you are not going to stand behind it yourself?

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                      • #71


                        Originally posted by praise_yeshua View Post
                        Num 23:19 God is not a man
                        Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

                        "I have often said that all the evil which was introduced into the human race stems from the erroneous perception of the sense of Scripture...Because the temptation of the first human being came about by means of Scripture... [‘Yea hath God said’].” “[T]he devil...deceitfully corrupts it...” through men who subtly change its meaning and sense....(John Wycliffe: (1325-1384) On The Truth of Holy Scripture, 2001, p. 109).
                        The Scripture CANNOT be broken. Today, we have in our hands the unbroken inerrant pure Word of God. God hates liars!!

                        If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; - Joh 10:35

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by J316 View Post



                          Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

                          "I have often said that all the evil which was introduced into the human race stems from the erroneous perception of the sense of Scripture...Because the temptation of the first human being came about by means of Scripture... [‘Yea hath God said’].” “[T]he devil...deceitfully corrupts it...” through men who subtly change its meaning and sense....(John Wycliffe: (1325-1384) On The Truth of Holy Scripture, 2001, p. 109).
                          I don't see the difference. Can you explain in more detail.

                          God is not a MAN in that HE ... Should lie.

                          God is not a MAN... in many varying things. God doesn't. Sleep. God doesn't slumber. God doesn't use the BATHROOM standing up.

                          Be specific and don't run away!!!

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                          • #73
                            Luk 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by praise_yeshua View Post

                              I don't see the difference. Can you explain in more detail.

                              God is not a MAN in that HE ... Should lie.

                              God is not a MAN... in many varying things. God doesn't. Sleep. God doesn't slumber. God doesn't use the BATHROOM standing up.

                              Be specific and don't run away!!!
                              1 Corinthians 2:14
                              14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
                              No conviction,No conversion
                              John 16:8
                              And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Bigboy

                                As a hen.

                                1 Corinthians 2:14
                                14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
                                As a her.......

                                Isn't a hen a "her"?

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