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  • #76
    Originally posted by marke View Post

    I cannot prove God agrees with me about the KJV and you cannot prove He doesn't.
    You continue to use the fallacy of meaningless claim, showing erroneous reasoning.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by marke View Post

      I don't question God's Word. I always question the words in the KJV.
      Do you question where the makers of the KJV changed a Hebrew noun that is singular in number to a English noun that is plural in number at Deuteronomy 33:17?

      Has any valid evidence been presented that proves that this Hebrew word that is singular in number must be precisely translated as plural at Deuteronomy 33:17?

      Over and over sound documented evidence would clearly show that the charges, allegations, and claims of holders of a KJV-only view are not applied consistently and justly.

      When the same judgments and measures that KJV defenders use to judge and criticize other English Bibles are justly used to judge or measure the KJV, they inconsistently object.

      Marke, do you refuse to be a doer of your own assertion since you do not put it into practice by accepting the correction of errors in the KJV based on the infallible word of God from which the KJV is derived?
      Last edited by logos1560; 04-15-18, 11:27 PM.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by logos1560 View Post

        You continue to use the fallacy of meaningless claim, showing erroneous reasoning.
        I am not a KJVOist or an anti-KJVOist who must argue over how each translated word may or may not have been the best choice. I just recommend people read the Bible and ask God to help them believe, honor and obey His Word in the Bible.
        I am not a NPB-Onlyist (No Perfect Bible Onlyist), nor a NA/UBS-Onlyist. Marke

        If this book be not infallible, where shall we find infallibility? We have given up the Pope, for he has blundered often and terribly; but we shall not set up instead of him a horde of little popelings fresh from college. C. H. Spurgeon

        For that Revised Version I have but little care as a general rule, holding it to be by no means an improvement upon our common Authorized Version. C.H. Spurgeon

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        • #79
          Originally posted by logos1560 View Post

          Do you question where the makers of the KJV changed a Hebrew noun that is singular in number to a English noun that is plural in number at Deuteronomy 33:17?

          Has any valid evidence been presented that proves that this Hebrew word that is singular in number must be precisely translated as plural at Deuteronomy 33:17?

          Over and over sound documented evidence would clearly show that the charges, allegations, and claims of holders of a KJV-only view are not applied consistently and justly.

          When the same judgments and measures that KJV defenders use to judge and criticize other English Bibles are justly used to judge or measure the KJV, they inconsistently object.

          Marke, do you refuse to be a doer of your own assertion since you do not put it into practice by accepting the correction of errors in the KJV based on the infallible word of God from which the KJV is derived?
          I don't worry whether I should question every word in the translation of God's Word. I just read the Bible God gave me and believe every Word of God revealed to me by the Holy Spirit in the pages of the Bible.
          I am not a NPB-Onlyist (No Perfect Bible Onlyist), nor a NA/UBS-Onlyist. Marke

          If this book be not infallible, where shall we find infallibility? We have given up the Pope, for he has blundered often and terribly; but we shall not set up instead of him a horde of little popelings fresh from college. C. H. Spurgeon

          For that Revised Version I have but little care as a general rule, holding it to be by no means an improvement upon our common Authorized Version. C.H. Spurgeon

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          • #80
            Originally posted by marke View Post

            Originally posted by logos1560 View Post

            You continue to use the fallacy of meaningless claim, showing erroneous reasoning.
            I am not a KJVOist or an anti-KJVOist
            Are you saying that you sit on the fence over the issue of a sound, true, scripturally-based position on Bible translations?

            Since you claim to be confused over what constitutes the meaning of the accurate term "KJV-only," how can you know whether you are KJV-only or not?

            Actually your own posts would contradict your statement since your posts reveal clear support for the incorrect, non-scriptural KJV-only side.

            Making claims for the KJV based on fallacies is typical of erroneous KJV-only reasoning, and in your posts you make some such claims for the KJV.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by logos1560 View Post

              Are you saying that you sit on the fence over the issue of a sound, true, scripturally-based position on Bible translations?

              Since you claim to be confused over what constitutes the meaning of the accurate term "KJV-only," how can you know whether you are KJV-only or not?

              Actually your own posts would contradict your statement since your posts reveal clear support for the incorrect, non-scriptural KJV-only side.

              Making claims for the KJV based on fallacies is typical of erroneous KJV-only reasoning, and in your posts you make some such claims for the KJV.
              I don't worry over the warring words between the KJVO and anti-KJVO sects.
              I am not a NPB-Onlyist (No Perfect Bible Onlyist), nor a NA/UBS-Onlyist. Marke

              If this book be not infallible, where shall we find infallibility? We have given up the Pope, for he has blundered often and terribly; but we shall not set up instead of him a horde of little popelings fresh from college. C. H. Spurgeon

              For that Revised Version I have but little care as a general rule, holding it to be by no means an improvement upon our common Authorized Version. C.H. Spurgeon

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              • #82
                Originally posted by marke View Post

                I don't worry over the warring words between the KJVO and anti-KJVO sects.
                Really?

                Your posts prove that you take the side of KJV-only posters.

                Marke, you post unproven undefined terms of accusations and unsupported allegations that war against any Bible-believers who state any sound disagreement with your subjective, non-scriptural, extra-biblical claims for the KJV. Your posting actions speak louder than your above claim.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by logos1560 View Post

                  Really?

                  Your posts prove that you take the side of KJV-only posters.

                  Marke, you post unproven undefined terms of accusations and unsupported allegations that war against any Bible-believers who state any sound disagreement with your subjective, non-scriptural, extra-biblical claims for the KJV. Your posting actions speak louder than your above claim.
                  I can understand why anti-KJVO enthusiasts find my views hard to comprehend.
                  I am not a NPB-Onlyist (No Perfect Bible Onlyist), nor a NA/UBS-Onlyist. Marke

                  If this book be not infallible, where shall we find infallibility? We have given up the Pope, for he has blundered often and terribly; but we shall not set up instead of him a horde of little popelings fresh from college. C. H. Spurgeon

                  For that Revised Version I have but little care as a general rule, holding it to be by no means an improvement upon our common Authorized Version. C.H. Spurgeon

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by marke View Post

                    I can understand why anti-KJVO enthusiasts find my views hard to comprehend.
                    You are very predictable

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by marke View Post

                      I can understand why anti-KJVO enthusiasts find my views hard to comprehend.
                      As a pro-KJV-only enthusiast, you have asserted that you do not comprehend and understand the sound, scripturally-based arguments against erroneous KJV-only reasoning.

                      Some of your posts seem to attempt to suggest that you yourself do not comprehend and understand your own imperfect, erroneous human reasoning that displays KJV-only teaching since you refuse to comprehend that it is KJV-only according to what constitutes the meaning of this accurate term. You evidently do not understand your own position well enough to distinguish it clearly and completely from a KJV-only position or else you know that it actually is KJV-only.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by logos1560 View Post

                        As a pro-KJV-only enthusiast, you have asserted that you do not comprehend and understand the sound, scripturally-based arguments against erroneous KJV-only reasoning.

                        Some of your posts seem to attempt to suggest that you yourself do not comprehend and understand your own imperfect, erroneous human reasoning that displays KJV-only teaching since you refuse to comprehend that it is KJV-only according to what constitutes the meaning of this accurate term. You evidently do not understand your own position well enough to distinguish it clearly and completely from a KJV-only position or else you know that it actually is KJV-only.
                        Got a problem with my doctrine? Try using Scriptures to refute my doctrine instead of my diction.
                        I am not a NPB-Onlyist (No Perfect Bible Onlyist), nor a NA/UBS-Onlyist. Marke

                        If this book be not infallible, where shall we find infallibility? We have given up the Pope, for he has blundered often and terribly; but we shall not set up instead of him a horde of little popelings fresh from college. C. H. Spurgeon

                        For that Revised Version I have but little care as a general rule, holding it to be by no means an improvement upon our common Authorized Version. C.H. Spurgeon

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by marke View Post
                          Got a problem with my doctrine? Try using Scriptures to refute my doctrine instead of my diction.
                          We have! And many times! We have shown you Scripture that is erroneously translated in the KJV and subsequently correctly translated in the great modern English Bibles! Still you keep on keeping on with subjective comments that prove nothing and more of the duck, dodge, divert, and redirect routine.
                          Joh 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. [NIV]

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by marke View Post

                            Got a problem with my doctrine? Try using Scriptures to refute my doctrine instead of my diction.
                            In contrast to your failure to use Scripture to support your stated teaching concerning the KJV, I have appealed soundly to a just application of scriptural truths.

                            The preserved Scriptures in the original languages have also been properly appealed to as the greater authority for the making and trying of all Bible translations including the KJV.

                            You do not prove your claims/teaching concerning the KJV to be good, sound, true Bible doctrine so you do not practice what you preach.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Trucker View Post

                              We have! And many times! We have shown you Scripture that is erroneously translated in the KJV and subsequently correctly translated in the great modern English Bibles! Still you keep on keeping on with subjective comments that prove nothing and more of the duck, dodge, divert, and redirect routine.
                              You disagree with the translated word choices of the 4 dozen KJV translators. I get it. But translated word choices cannot make God's infallible Word flawed or untrustworthy. That is my point.
                              I am not a NPB-Onlyist (No Perfect Bible Onlyist), nor a NA/UBS-Onlyist. Marke

                              If this book be not infallible, where shall we find infallibility? We have given up the Pope, for he has blundered often and terribly; but we shall not set up instead of him a horde of little popelings fresh from college. C. H. Spurgeon

                              For that Revised Version I have but little care as a general rule, holding it to be by no means an improvement upon our common Authorized Version. C.H. Spurgeon

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by logos1560 View Post

                                In contrast to your failure to use Scripture to support your stated teaching concerning the KJV, I have appealed soundly to a just application of scriptural truths.

                                The preserved Scriptures in the original languages have also been properly appealed to as the greater authority for the making and trying of all Bible translations including the KJV.

                                You do not prove your claims/teaching concerning the KJV to be good, sound, true Bible doctrine so you do not practice what you preach.
                                Refuting my views with interpretations of Scripture is one thing, but it falls short of refutation from specific Scriptures dealing with undeniable references to the KJV translation.
                                I am not a NPB-Onlyist (No Perfect Bible Onlyist), nor a NA/UBS-Onlyist. Marke

                                If this book be not infallible, where shall we find infallibility? We have given up the Pope, for he has blundered often and terribly; but we shall not set up instead of him a horde of little popelings fresh from college. C. H. Spurgeon

                                For that Revised Version I have but little care as a general rule, holding it to be by no means an improvement upon our common Authorized Version. C.H. Spurgeon

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