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  • #46
    Originally posted by praise_yeshua View Post

    I'd be ashamed to promote the work of a tyrant such as king James. Why do you do this? The KJV isn't a masterpiece its a private interpretation from a late British monarch who wanted to leave his "mark" on humanity. Which he did.... You're still praising him and he's long dead and gone.
    Your Claim Is False

    Meet The 72 Men In The Making Of The 1611 KJV
    • PATRON
      • King James I
    • TRANSLATION OVERSEER
      • Richard Bancroft
    • COMMITTEE OF TWO
      • Thomas Bilson
      • Miles Smith
    • COMMITTEE OF REVISERS
      • John Bois [Boys/Boyes]
      • Andrew Downes
      • John Harmar [Harmer]
      • 'Hutch'
    • FIRST WESTMINSTER COMPANY
      • Genesis - 2 Kings
      • Lancelot Andrewes (Director)
      • William Bedwell [Beadwell]
      • Francis Burley [Burleigh]
      • Richard Clerke [Clark/Clarke]
      • Geoffrey King [Kinge/Kynge]
      • John Layfield [Leifield/Laifield]
      • John Overall
      • Hadrian Saravia
      • Richard Thomson [Thompson]
      • Robert Tighe [Teigh/Tjghe/Tyghe/Leigh]
    • FIRST CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
      • 1 Chronicles - Song of Solomon
      • Edward Lively (Director)
      • Roger Andrewes
      • Andrew Bing [Byng/Binge]
      • Laurence Chaderton [Chatterton]
      • Francis Dillingham
      • William Eyre [Eyres/Aiers]
      • Thomas Harrison
      • John Richardson
      • Robert Spaulding [Spaldinge/Spaulding]
    • FIRST OXFORD COMPANY
      • Isaiah - Malachi
      • John Harding [Hardynge/Hardinge] (Director)
      • Richard Brett
      • Richard Fairclough
      • Daniel Featley
      • Thomas Holland
      • Richard Kilby [Kilbie/Kilbye/Kylby]
      • John Rainolds [Reynolds]
      • Miles Smith
      • William Thorne
    • SECOND CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
      • Apocrypha
      • John Duport (Leader) [Duporte/Dewport/Dewporte]
      • John Bois [Boys/Boyes]
      • William Branthwaite [Branthwayte]
      • Andrew Downes
      • Jeremiah [Jeremy/Jeremie] Radcliffe
      • Robert Ward
      • Samuel Ward
    • SECOND OXFORD COMPANY
      • Gospels, Acts & Book of Revelation
      • Thomas Ravis (Leader)
      • George Abbot
      • John Aglionby
      • Richard Edes [Eedes]
      • John Harmar [Harmer]
      • Leonard Hutten [Hutton]
      • James Montagu [Montegue]
      • John Peryn [Perrinne/Perne/Peryn]
      • Ralph Ravens
      • Henry Savile
      • Giles Tomson [Thomson]
    • SECOND WESTMINSTER COMPANY
      • Epistles
      • William Barlow (Leader)
      • William Dakins [Dakyns]
      • Nicholas Felton
      • Roger Fenton
      • Ralph Hutchinson [Huchenson]
      • Arthur Lake
      • Nicholas Love
      • Michael Rabbett [Rabbet]
      • George Ryves
      • Thomas Sanderson
      • John Spenser [Spencer]
    • TRANSLATOR
      • Thomas Sparke
    • PRINTER
      • Robert Barker
    • CONTRIBUTORS
      • (Illustrators, Geneologies, Maps, Etc.)
      • John Speed (Genealogies, Map)
      • Cornelis Boel (Artist/Engraver)
      • John More (Map)
      • Renold Elstrack (Engraver)
      • Hugh Broughton (Genealogies)

    Comment


    • #47
      Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post
      Your Claim Is False

      Meet The 72 Men In The Making Of The 1611 KJV
      • PATRON
        • King James I
      • TRANSLATION OVERSEER
        • Richard Bancroft
      • COMMITTEE OF TWO
        • Thomas Bilson
        • Miles Smith
      • COMMITTEE OF REVISERS
        • John Bois [Boys/Boyes]
        • Andrew Downes
        • John Harmar [Harmer]
        • 'Hutch'
      • FIRST WESTMINSTER COMPANY
        • Genesis - 2 Kings
        • Lancelot Andrewes (Director)
        • William Bedwell [Beadwell]
        • Francis Burley [Burleigh]
        • Richard Clerke [Clark/Clarke]
        • Geoffrey King [Kinge/Kynge]
        • John Layfield [Leifield/Laifield]
        • John Overall
        • Hadrian Saravia
        • Richard Thomson [Thompson]
        • Robert Tighe [Teigh/Tjghe/Tyghe/Leigh]
      • FIRST CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
        • 1 Chronicles - Song of Solomon
        • Edward Lively (Director)
        • Roger Andrewes
        • Andrew Bing [Byng/Binge]
        • Laurence Chaderton [Chatterton]
        • Francis Dillingham
        • William Eyre [Eyres/Aiers]
        • Thomas Harrison
        • John Richardson
        • Robert Spaulding [Spaldinge/Spaulding]
      • FIRST OXFORD COMPANY
        • Isaiah - Malachi
        • John Harding [Hardynge/Hardinge] (Director)
        • Richard Brett
        • Richard Fairclough
        • Daniel Featley
        • Thomas Holland
        • Richard Kilby [Kilbie/Kilbye/Kylby]
        • John Rainolds [Reynolds]
        • Miles Smith
        • William Thorne
      • SECOND CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
        • Apocrypha
        • John Duport (Leader) [Duporte/Dewport/Dewporte]
        • John Bois [Boys/Boyes]
        • William Branthwaite [Branthwayte]
        • Andrew Downes
        • Jeremiah [Jeremy/Jeremie] Radcliffe
        • Robert Ward
        • Samuel Ward
      • SECOND OXFORD COMPANY
        • Gospels, Acts & Book of Revelation
        • Thomas Ravis (Leader)
        • George Abbot
        • John Aglionby
        • Richard Edes [Eedes]
        • John Harmar [Harmer]
        • Leonard Hutten [Hutton]
        • James Montagu [Montegue]
        • John Peryn [Perrinne/Perne/Peryn]
        • Ralph Ravens
        • Henry Savile
        • Giles Tomson [Thomson]
      • SECOND WESTMINSTER COMPANY
        • Epistles
        • William Barlow (Leader)
        • William Dakins [Dakyns]
        • Nicholas Felton
        • Roger Fenton
        • Ralph Hutchinson [Huchenson]
        • Arthur Lake
        • Nicholas Love
        • Michael Rabbett [Rabbet]
        • George Ryves
        • Thomas Sanderson
        • John Spenser [Spencer]
      • TRANSLATOR
        • Thomas Sparke
      • PRINTER
        • Robert Barker
      • CONTRIBUTORS
        • (Illustrators, Geneologies, Maps, Etc.)
        • John Speed (Genealogies, Map)
        • Cornelis Boel (Artist/Engraver)
        • John More (Map)
        • Renold Elstrack (Engraver)
        • Hugh Broughton (Genealogies)
      Every one of them reported to the archbishop. The archbishop reported to king James. "king" James made his demands known for what he wanted in HIS translation. He got exactly what he wanted.

      Are you saying the KJV wasn't "king" James' translation?

      It doesn't matter how many people worked on it. It wasn't approved until king James said it was ready. The translation committees didn't release their own private work directly to the public.

      Your claims are FALSE.

      Comment


      • #48
        Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post
        I don't pray for dead humans (Carlo Maria Martini) homosexual union supporter, or Adulterer (Kurt Aland)

        One positive note, when Kurt Aland died, it broke the chain of Barbar's adultery who is now 81 years old, Kurt would be 103 years old right now, who died April 1994, almost 25 years ago.

        I know one thing for sure, Kurt Aland knows weather he lived and died in the sin of adultery, God is the Judge.
        So you slander the dead, who are not here to defend themselves. How weak.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by praise_yeshua View Post

          Every one of them reported to the archbishop. The archbishop reported to king James. "king" James made his demands known for what he wanted in HIS translation. He got exactly what he wanted.

          Are you saying the KJV wasn't "king" James' translation?

          It doesn't matter how many people worked on it. It wasn't approved until king James said it was ready. The translation committees didn't release their own private work directly to the public.

          Your claims are FALSE.
          King James "Supported" the translation as a "Patron", he wasn't involved in manuscripts, translations, or how the translators performed their job of translating.

          Your claim is false, the translators seen below created the masterpiece of the KJV, with the "Support" and "Patronage" of King James.

          Is the NIV the work of Zondervan Publishing? "NO"

          Is the NASB the work of (Dewey Lockman) who financed the work, a "Patron"? "NO"

          Is the NKJV the work of Thomas Nelson Publisher? "NO"

          The afore mentioned were "Patrons" to the work of translation, who didn't partake in the actual work itself.

          pa·tron
          /ˈpātrən/
          noun
          1. 1.
            a person who gives financial or other support to a person, organization, cause, or activity.
          • Meet The 72 Men In The Making Of The 1611 KJV
          • PATRON
            • King James I
          • TRANSLATION OVERSEER
            • Richard Bancroft
          • COMMITTEE OF TWO
            • Thomas Bilson
            • Miles Smith
          • COMMITTEE OF REVISERS
            • John Bois [Boys/Boyes]
            • Andrew Downes
            • John Harmar [Harmer]
            • 'Hutch'
          • FIRST WESTMINSTER COMPANY
            • Genesis - 2 Kings
            • Lancelot Andrewes (Director)
            • William Bedwell [Beadwell]
            • Francis Burley [Burleigh]
            • Richard Clerke [Clark/Clarke]
            • Geoffrey King [Kinge/Kynge]
            • John Layfield [Leifield/Laifield]
            • John Overall
            • Hadrian Saravia
            • Richard Thomson [Thompson]
            • Robert Tighe [Teigh/Tjghe/Tyghe/Leigh]
          • FIRST CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
            • 1 Chronicles - Song of Solomon
            • Edward Lively (Director)
            • Roger Andrewes
            • Andrew Bing [Byng/Binge]
            • Laurence Chaderton [Chatterton]
            • Francis Dillingham
            • William Eyre [Eyres/Aiers]
            • Thomas Harrison
            • John Richardson
            • Robert Spaulding [Spaldinge/Spaulding]
          • FIRST OXFORD COMPANY
            • Isaiah - Malachi
            • John Harding [Hardynge/Hardinge] (Director)
            • Richard Brett
            • Richard Fairclough
            • Daniel Featley
            • Thomas Holland
            • Richard Kilby [Kilbie/Kilbye/Kylby]
            • John Rainolds [Reynolds]
            • Miles Smith
            • William Thorne
          • SECOND CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
            • Apocrypha
            • John Duport (Leader) [Duporte/Dewport/Dewporte]
            • John Bois [Boys/Boyes]
            • William Branthwaite [Branthwayte]
            • Andrew Downes
            • Jeremiah [Jeremy/Jeremie] Radcliffe
            • Robert Ward
            • Samuel Ward
          • SECOND OXFORD COMPANY
            • Gospels, Acts & Book of Revelation
            • Thomas Ravis (Leader)
            • George Abbot
            • John Aglionby
            • Richard Edes [Eedes]
            • John Harmar [Harmer]
            • Leonard Hutten [Hutton]
            • James Montagu [Montegue]
            • John Peryn [Perrinne/Perne/Peryn]
            • Ralph Ravens
            • Henry Savile
            • Giles Tomson [Thomson]
          • SECOND WESTMINSTER COMPANY
            • Epistles
            • William Barlow (Leader)
            • William Dakins [Dakyns]
            • Nicholas Felton
            • Roger Fenton
            • Ralph Hutchinson [Huchenson]
            • Arthur Lake
            • Nicholas Love
            • Michael Rabbett [Rabbet]
            • George Ryves
            • Thomas Sanderson
            • John Spenser [Spencer]
          • TRANSLATOR
            • Thomas Sparke
          • PRINTER
            • Robert Barker
          • CONTRIBUTORS
            • (Illustrators, Geneologies, Maps, Etc.)
            • John Speed (Genealogies, Map)
            • Cornelis Boel (Artist/Engraver)
            • John More (Map)
            • Renold Elstrack (Engraver)
            • Hugh Broughton (Genealogies)
          Last edited by Truth7t7; 01-30-19, 08:49 PM.

          Comment


          • #50
            Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post

            King James "Supported" the translation, he wasn't involved in manuscripts, translations, or how the translators performed their job of translating.

            Your claim is false, the translators seen below created the masterpiece of the KJV, with the "Support" of King James.

            pa·tron
            /ˈpātrən/
            noun
            1. 1.
              a person who gives financial or other support to a person, organization, cause, or activity.
            • PATRON
              • King James I
            • TRANSLATION OVERSEER
              • Richard Bancroft
            • COMMITTEE OF TWO
              • Thomas Bilson
              • Miles Smith
            • COMMITTEE OF REVISERS
              • John Bois [Boys/Boyes]
              • Andrew Downes
              • John Harmar [Harmer]
              • 'Hutch'
            • FIRST WESTMINSTER COMPANY
              • Genesis - 2 Kings
              • Lancelot Andrewes (Director)
              • William Bedwell [Beadwell]
              • Francis Burley [Burleigh]
              • Richard Clerke [Clark/Clarke]
              • Geoffrey King [Kinge/Kynge]
              • John Layfield [Leifield/Laifield]
              • John Overall
              • Hadrian Saravia
              • Richard Thomson [Thompson]
              • Robert Tighe [Teigh/Tjghe/Tyghe/Leigh]
            • FIRST CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
              • 1 Chronicles - Song of Solomon
              • Edward Lively (Director)
              • Roger Andrewes
              • Andrew Bing [Byng/Binge]
              • Laurence Chaderton [Chatterton]
              • Francis Dillingham
              • William Eyre [Eyres/Aiers]
              • Thomas Harrison
              • John Richardson
              • Robert Spaulding [Spaldinge/Spaulding]
            • FIRST OXFORD COMPANY
              • Isaiah - Malachi
              • John Harding [Hardynge/Hardinge] (Director)
              • Richard Brett
              • Richard Fairclough
              • Daniel Featley
              • Thomas Holland
              • Richard Kilby [Kilbie/Kilbye/Kylby]
              • John Rainolds [Reynolds]
              • Miles Smith
              • William Thorne
            • SECOND CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
              • Apocrypha
              • John Duport (Leader) [Duporte/Dewport/Dewporte]
              • John Bois [Boys/Boyes]
              • William Branthwaite [Branthwayte]
              • Andrew Downes
              • Jeremiah [Jeremy/Jeremie] Radcliffe
              • Robert Ward
              • Samuel Ward
            • SECOND OXFORD COMPANY
              • Gospels, Acts & Book of Revelation
              • Thomas Ravis (Leader)
              • George Abbot
              • John Aglionby
              • Richard Edes [Eedes]
              • John Harmar [Harmer]
              • Leonard Hutten [Hutton]
              • James Montagu [Montegue]
              • John Peryn [Perrinne/Perne/Peryn]
              • Ralph Ravens
              • Henry Savile
              • Giles Tomson [Thomson]
            • SECOND WESTMINSTER COMPANY
              • Epistles
              • William Barlow (Leader)
              • William Dakins [Dakyns]
              • Nicholas Felton
              • Roger Fenton
              • Ralph Hutchinson [Huchenson]
              • Arthur Lake
              • Nicholas Love
              • Michael Rabbett [Rabbet]
              • George Ryves
              • Thomas Sanderson
              • John Spenser [Spencer]
            • TRANSLATOR
              • Thomas Sparke
            • PRINTER
              • Robert Barker
            • CONTRIBUTORS
              • (Illustrators, Geneologies, Maps, Etc.)
              • John Speed (Genealogies, Map)
              • Cornelis Boel (Artist/Engraver)
              • John More (Map)
              • Renold Elstrack (Engraver)
              • Hugh Broughton (Genealogies)
            False. "king" James made it clear what he wanted and what he had published is exactly what he wanted in his "authorized" edition.

            Did any translator release their work to the public?

            The answer is NO. "king" James would never have allowed it. He didn't allow it.

            All you have is what was APPROVED by the archbishop and king James to be produced.

            Comment


            • #51
              Originally posted by praise_yeshua View Post

              False. "king" James made it clear what he wanted and what he had published is exactly what he wanted in his "authorized" edition.

              Did any translator release their work to the public?

              The answer is NO. "king" James would never have allowed it. He didn't allow it.

              All you have is what was APPROVED by the archbishop and king James to be produced.
              King James Was A Patron (KJV)

              Zondervan Publishing Was A Patron (NIV)

              Dewey Lockman Was A Patron (NASB)

              Thomas Nelson Publishing Was A Patron (NKJV)

              The translators of the NIV, and their Patron in $(Zondervan Publishing)$ As The Patron didn't allow translators to release their work to the general public,.

              Neither did Patron $(Dewey Lockman)$ with the NASB

              Neither did Patron $(Thomas Nelson Publisher)$ with the NKJV

              King James "Supported" the translation as a "Patron", he wasn't involved in manuscripts, translations, or how the translators performed their job of translating.

              Your claim is false, the translators seen below created the masterpiece of the KJV, with the "Support" and "Patronage" of King James.

              Is the NIV the work of Zondervan Publishing? "NO"

              Is the NASB the work of (Dewey Lockman) who financed the work, a "Patron"? "NO"

              Is the NKJV the work of Thomas Nelson Publisher? "NO"

              The afore mentioned were "Patrons" to the work of translation, who didn't partake in the actual work itself.

              pa·tron
              /ˈpātrən/
              noun
              1. 1.
                a person who gives financial or other support to a person, organization, cause, or activity.
              • Meet The 72 Men In The Making Of The 1611 KJV
              • PATRON
                • King James I
              • TRANSLATION OVERSEER
                • Richard Bancroft
              • COMMITTEE OF TWO
                • Thomas Bilson
                • Miles Smith
              • COMMITTEE OF REVISERS
                • John Bois [Boys/Boyes]
                • Andrew Downes
                • John Harmar [Harmer]
                • 'Hutch'
              • FIRST WESTMINSTER COMPANY
                • Genesis - 2 Kings
                • Lancelot Andrewes (Director)
                • William Bedwell [Beadwell]
                • Francis Burley [Burleigh]
                • Richard Clerke [Clark/Clarke]
                • Geoffrey King [Kinge/Kynge]
                • John Layfield [Leifield/Laifield]
                • John Overall
                • Hadrian Saravia
                • Richard Thomson [Thompson]
                • Robert Tighe [Teigh/Tjghe/Tyghe/Leigh]
              • FIRST CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
                • 1 Chronicles - Song of Solomon
                • Edward Lively (Director)
                • Roger Andrewes
                • Andrew Bing [Byng/Binge]
                • Laurence Chaderton [Chatterton]
                • Francis Dillingham
                • William Eyre [Eyres/Aiers]
                • Thomas Harrison
                • John Richardson
                • Robert Spaulding [Spaldinge/Spaulding]
              • FIRST OXFORD COMPANY
                • Isaiah - Malachi
                • John Harding [Hardynge/Hardinge] (Director)
                • Richard Brett
                • Richard Fairclough
                • Daniel Featley
                • Thomas Holland
                • Richard Kilby [Kilbie/Kilbye/Kylby]
                • John Rainolds [Reynolds]
                • Miles Smith
                • William Thorne
              • SECOND CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
                • Apocrypha
                • John Duport (Leader) [Duporte/Dewport/Dewporte]
                • John Bois [Boys/Boyes]
                • William Branthwaite [Branthwayte]
                • Andrew Downes
                • Jeremiah [Jeremy/Jeremie] Radcliffe
                • Robert Ward
                • Samuel Ward
              • SECOND OXFORD COMPANY
                • Gospels, Acts & Book of Revelation
                • Thomas Ravis (Leader)
                • George Abbot
                • John Aglionby
                • Richard Edes [Eedes]
                • John Harmar [Harmer]
                • Leonard Hutten [Hutton]
                • James Montagu [Montegue]
                • John Peryn [Perrinne/Perne/Peryn]
                • Ralph Ravens
                • Henry Savile
                • Giles Tomson [Thomson]
              • SECOND WESTMINSTER COMPANY
                • Epistles
                • William Barlow (Leader)
                • William Dakins [Dakyns]
                • Nicholas Felton
                • Roger Fenton
                • Ralph Hutchinson [Huchenson]
                • Arthur Lake
                • Nicholas Love
                • Michael Rabbett [Rabbet]
                • George Ryves
                • Thomas Sanderson
                • John Spenser [Spencer]
              • TRANSLATOR
                • Thomas Sparke
              • PRINTER
                • Robert Barker
              • CONTRIBUTORS
                • (Illustrators, Geneologies, Maps, Etc.)
                • John Speed (Genealogies, Map)
                • Cornelis Boel (Artist/Engraver)
                • John More (Map)
                • Renold Elstrack (Engraver)
                • Hugh Broughton (Genealogies)

              Comment


              • #52
                Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post
                King James Was A Patron (KJV)

                Zondervan Publishing Was A Patron (NIV)

                Dewey Lockman Was A Patron (NASB)

                Thomas Nelson Publishing Was A Patron (NKJV)

                The translators of the NIV, and their Patron in $(Zondervan Publishing)$ As The Patron didn't allow translators to release their work to the general public,.

                Neither did Patron $(Dewey Lockman)$ with the NASB

                Neither did Patron $(Thomas Nelson Publisher)$ with the NKJV

                King James "Supported" the translation as a "Patron", he wasn't involved in manuscripts, translations, or how the translators performed their job of translating.

                Your claim is false, the translators seen below created the masterpiece of the KJV, with the "Support" and "Patronage" of King James.

                Is the NIV the work of Zondervan Publishing? "NO"

                Is the NASB the work of (Dewey Lockman) who financed the work, a "Patron"? "NO"

                Is the NKJV the work of Thomas Nelson Publisher? "NO"

                The afore mentioned were "Patrons" to the work of translation, who didn't partake in the actual work itself.
                I asked you a very simple question. Did the translators publish their work directly to the public?

                The answer is NO.

                Their work was SUBJECTED to the approval, revision, and publication of the archbishop and king James himself.

                James personally set forth demands for the work. Demands that were meet because he was the KING and had final authority over the published work.

                To compare king Jimmie's action to that of modern day publishers is down right silly.

                I know your belief makes you feel better.... but that's all it is. Your belief. It has no fact in history. The KJV is owned by the British monarchy. That ownership began with king Jimmie by usurping the authoirity of the church and setting himself up as the final authority for all matters relative to church. The "pope" of English rule.

                Comment


                • #53
                  Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post

                  King James "Supported" the translation as a "Patron", he wasn't involved in manuscripts, translations, or how the translators performed their job of translating.

                  Your claim is false,
                  It is your claim that is not true. You fail to back up and prove your claims to be true.

                  The truth is that King James was involved in how the translators performed their job of translating.

                  King James made or approved the rules for the translating, which is being involved in how the translators were instructed to perform their work.

                  King James also made Archbishop Richard Bancroft overseer for the translating work, giving King James a way to communicate to the translators and to control their translating.

                  One of the places where the translators met [Westminster] was under the direct control of the king.

                  The original plan for the making of the KJV at the Hampton Court Conference had asserted that after the review of the Bishops that the translation “be presented to the Privy Council” (Barlow, Sum and Substance, p. 46). In his introduction to Everyman’s Library edition of the KJV’s New Testament, John Drury wrote: “The king’s plan for the process of translation was characteristically hierarchical, ascending from scholars, through bishops, to the Privy Council and the crown” (p. xix).

                  Comment


                  • #54
                    Originally posted by logos1560 View Post

                    It is your claim that is not true. You fail to back up and prove your claims to be true.

                    The truth is that King James was involved in how the translators performed their job of translating.

                    King James made or approved the rules for the translating, which is being involved in how the translators were instructed to perform their work.

                    King James also made Archbishop Richard Bancroft overseer for the translating work, giving King James a way to communicate to the translators and to control their translating.

                    One of the places where the translators met [Westminster] was under the direct control of the king.

                    The original plan for the making of the KJV at the Hampton Court Conference had asserted that after the review of the Bishops that the translation “be presented to the Privy Council” (Barlow, Sum and Substance, p. 46). In his introduction to Everyman’s Library edition of the KJV’s New Testament, John Drury wrote: “The king’s plan for the process of translation was characteristically hierarchical, ascending from scholars, through bishops, to the Privy Council and the crown” (p. xix).
                    Prove through one of those on the committee that King James controlled the translation and what text, translations, words and verses would be used?

                    "Prove It"

                    Not a quote from some outsider in 2019, from the inside 72 men that the King controlled the translation, and how it would be translated?

                    "Waiting"?
                    Last edited by Truth7t7; 01-31-19, 01:48 AM.

                    Comment


                    • #55
                      Originally posted by praise_yeshua View Post

                      I asked you a very simple question. Did the translators publish their work directly to the public?

                      The answer is NO.

                      Their work was SUBJECTED to the approval, revision, and publication of the archbishop and king James himself.

                      James personally set forth demands for the work. Demands that were meet because he was the KING and had final authority over the published work.

                      To compare king Jimmie's action to that of modern day publishers is down right silly.

                      I know your belief makes you feel better.... but that's all it is. Your belief. It has no fact in history. The KJV is owned by the British monarchy. That ownership began with king Jimmie by usurping the authoirity of the church and setting himself up as the final authority for all matters relative to church. The "pope" of English rule.
                      Prove through one of those on the committee that King James controlled the translation and what text, translations, words and verses would be used?

                      "Prove It"

                      Not a quote from some outsider in 2019, from the inside 72 men that the King controlled the translation, and how it would be translated?

                      "Waiting"?

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post

                        Prove through one of those on the committee that King James controlled the translation and what text, translations, words and verses would be used?

                        "Prove It"

                        Not a quote from some outsider in 2019, from the inside 72 men that the King controlled the translation, and how it would be translated?

                        "Waiting"?
                        It is simple. They would not be alowed to reveal that to the public. That in itself would have been disobedience to the king. It's called politics, propaganda, us news service, and so on so forth.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post

                          Prove through one of those on the committee that King James controlled the translation and what text, translations, words and verses would be used?

                          "Prove It"

                          Not a quote from some outsider in 2019, from the inside 72 men that the King controlled the translation, and how it would be translated?

                          "Waiting"?
                          James was a monarch who believed in the divine right of Kings. So any reasonable person would believe he had the final approval of the translators finished product.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post

                            Prove through one of those on the committee that King James controlled the translation and what text, translations, words and verses would be used?

                            "Prove It"

                            Not a quote from some outsider in 2019, from the inside 72 men that the King controlled the translation, and how it would be translated?

                            "Waiting"?
                            The proof is the fact the committee work was not released to the public. Only the final draft approved by the archbishop and finally "king" James.

                            I'll ask again. Did the committee work get released to the public?

                            In fact, that is one thing that was great about the first edition of the NET Bible. You had everything out in the open from beginning to end.

                            Hey, keep believing such nonsense. It makes you feel better about all these years you've been believing a lie.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post
                              Prove through one of those on the committee that King James controlled the translation and what text, translations, words and verses would be used?

                              "Prove It"

                              Not a quote from some outsider in 2019, from the inside 72 men that the King controlled the translation, and how it would be translated?

                              "Waiting"?
                              Here. Read about your "king" from 1604. Not 2019

                              https://books.google.com/books?id=0A...0Court&f=false

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post
                                Prove through one of those on the committee that King James controlled the translation and what text, translations, words and verses would be used?

                                "Prove It"
                                You demonstrate that you do not practice what you preach since you do not prove what you claim concerning the KJV to be true.

                                Sound evidence and proof have been presented, but you may choose to close your eyes to it. Are you suggesting that you have never read the rules for the translating? The rules for the translating are proof of King James' control over its making. The rules dictated that the Bishops' Bible be the starting English text to be followed.

                                In his book printed in 1730, Anthony Johnson noted that “the King recommended the following rules to be by them most carefully observed” (Historical Account, p. 93). Likewise, John Lewis affirmed that “his Majesty recommended the following rules to them to be very carefully observed” (Complete History, p. 317). P. W. Raidabaugh noted that Bancroft that sent a copy of the rules along with a letter from the king to Cambridge for the persons selected as translators (History, p. 55). The evidence that King James made or approved the rules for the translating would demonstrate his great influence on it.

                                Furthermore, King James followed up on the rules by having Archbishop Richard Bancroft oversee the translation. Donald Brake noted: “The translation of the KJV was conducted according to controlling rules and principles established by Archbishop Bancroft” (Visual History of the KJB, p. 115). Brake added: “His fifteen rules for translation clearly reveal bias against the Puritans and inevitably led to a translation that favored the Church of England” (p. 116). Alister McGrath observed that Bancroft “was in a position to exercise considerable influence over the new Bible, by laying down rules of translation that would ensure that it would be sympathetic to the position and sensitivities of the established Church of England” (In the Beginning, p. 164). McGrath wrote: “The translators were instructed to follow strict ‘rules of translation,‘ drawn up by Bancroft and approved by James” (p. 173). David Teems referred to Bancroft as “the man James charged with organizing, policing, and managing the enterprise of translation” (Majestie, p. 163). In their preface, the KJV translators referred to Bancroft as the "chief overseer and task-master under his Majesty, to whom were not only we, but also our whole Church, much bound." In the preface of his 1659 book, Robert Gell, who had been chaplain of George Abbot (a KJV translator appointed archbishop after the death of Bancroft), asserted that those who set the translators to their work “limited them, (as some of them have much complained)” (An Essay, p. ix). James MacKnight referred to “the restraint they [the KJV translators] were laid under by those who employed them” (New Literal Translation, p. 9). Henry Craik also maintained that the KJV translators were “limited” by “the regulations of their royal patron” (Hints, p. 27). William Orme claimed: “The translators were embarrassed by the rules of their royal master—rules which were dictated by his prejudices, and his partiality for episcopacy, as much as by his learning” (Bibliotheca Biblica, p. 38).

                                The third rule for the making of the KJV was that "the old ecclesiastical words to be kept; as the word church, not to be translated congregation, etc." After listing this third rule, Adam Nicolson commented: “Bancroft, and almost certainly the king, was not prepared to give any ground in the language of the translation to the Presbyterians” (God’s Secretaries, p. 75). David Daiches noted that the third rule was "directed against the Puritan tendency to abandon the traditional terms which had associations with Catholic ritual and is an interesting reflection of the essentially Anglican nature of A.V." (The KJV of the English Bible, p. 169). John Nordstrom asserted that the third rule “reveals Bancroft’s Anglicanism more than any other and shows that Bancroft wanted to guide the new revision back to a high-church position, taking away any congregational power” (Stained with Blood, p. 169).

                                Two of the translation/revision committees met at Westminster, which was under direct authority of the king. John Nordstrom pointed out that two companies of translators met “at Westminster, the seat of royal authority” (Stained with Blood, p. 178). In his anniversary essay in the 1611 reprint edition by Oxford University Press in 2010, Gordon Campbell noted: “The reason for the choice of Westminster (as opposed to London, from which it was then separate) was that Westminster Abbey was a royal peculiar, which meant that it was exempt from any jurisdiction other than that of the monarch” (p. 2 of essay). The king also had some control or influence at Oxford and Cambridge since the rules specified that the “king’s professor in Hebrew or Greek in each university” be chairman of those committees. Gordon Campbell observed: “The king’s professors (now known as regius professors) at Oxford and Cambridge were appointed by the Crown (as they are now), so these four professors owed their jobs to the Crown, and could be relied upon to bear the king’s wishes in mind as they discharged their duties” (Ibid.).

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