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  • #31
    Originally posted by harry View Post

    I didn’t go anyplace, tried to make a point there.

    NO CREATOR LISTED IN THAT VERSE!!!!

    Do some more in depth study and maybe you Will realize how BAD things really are!!!

    Instead of trying to be a wisenheimer!

    Once you figure it out then you’ll know why it says, few there be that find it!!!

    that don’t mean it falls in your lap just sitting there!!!


    harry
    Whud. I am a unitarian pentecostal Abrahamist Monotheist.

    "Creator" does not have to be in that passage for me, since Jesus for me is not the Creator.
    Shema will change the Christian World.

    Turn it upside down. To where it once was, the POV of JESUS, his DISCIPLES and his SERVANTS.

    Know God YHWH Elohim is One. And love Him with all. Mk 12, red letter words.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by nothead View Post

      Whud. I am a unitarian pentecostal Abrahamist Monotheist.

      "Creator" does not have to be in that passage for me, since Jesus for me is not the Creator.
      Im ok with that!


      harry

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      • #33
        Originally posted by nothead View Post

        Whud. I am a unitarian pentecostal Abrahamist Monotheist.

        "Creator" does not have to be in that passage for me, since Jesus for me is not the Creator.
        John 1:3;Col. 1:15-16; Hebrews 1:10: Rev. 3:14 says Jesus IS The creator.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by nothead View Post
          The point I was making was that even Luther ACKNOWLEDGED the word TRINITY or TRINITAS or TRIPARTITE or anything SIMILAR which COINS or TERMS Trinity by a single word is NOT EXTANT IN TEXT.
          This sounds suspiciously like backpedaling.

          Your post was entitled, "For Those Who Say Trinity is Clearly Stated in Text...". I did not interpret that to mean the mere word "Trinity." If that's really what you meant, please provide a list of people who believe the word "Trinity" is found in the Bible. If there really is someone simple enough out there that believes the word "Trinity" is in the Bible, they should have their Bible taken from them so they don't hurt themselves.

          "Clearly Stated" sounds much more like you meant the concept of the Trinity, which means blatantly that you've mis-cited Luther with your cut-and-paste.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by James Swan View Post

            This sounds suspiciously like backpedaling.

            Your post was entitled, "For Those Who Say Trinity is Clearly Stated in Text...". I did not interpret that to mean the mere word "Trinity." If that's really what you meant, please provide a list of people who believe the word "Trinity" is found in the Bible. If there really is someone simple enough out there that believes the word "Trinity" is in the Bible, they should have their Bible taken from them so they don't hurt themselves.

            "Clearly Stated" sounds much more like you meant the concept of the Trinity, which means blatantly that you've mis-cited Luther with your cut-and-paste.
            No backtrack, Jack.

            You are the sushpishush one. I explained to you FOUR times now and you INSIST I said something else?

            How about just understanding I said what I said and I'll say it again...TRINITY is NOT IN TEXT. You wantoo say qualified by CONCEPT then FINE.

            I say the Word is FACTUALLY not in Text so the CONCEPT HARDLY LIKELY in Text. Know the difference and slow your pie hole down JUST A BIT ST. NICK?
            Shema will change the Christian World.

            Turn it upside down. To where it once was, the POV of JESUS, his DISCIPLES and his SERVANTS.

            Know God YHWH Elohim is One. And love Him with all. Mk 12, red letter words.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by nothead View Post

              No backtrack, Jack.

              You are the sushpishush one. I explained to you FOUR times now and you INSIST I said something else?

              How about just understanding I said what I said and I'll say it again...TRINITY is NOT IN TEXT. You wantoo say qualified by CONCEPT then FINE.

              I say the Word is FACTUALLY not in Text so the CONCEPT HARDLY LIKELY in Text. Know the difference and slow your pie hole down JUST A BIT ST. NICK?
              The Trinity IS in the text: The WORD Trinity is NOT.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by john wilcox View Post
                The Trinity IS in the text: The WORD Trinity is NOT.
                And so...the concept is SALVIFIC even though it has no term to describe, or even a set of principles to buttress, all in one place HERMANO??
                Shema will change the Christian World.

                Turn it upside down. To where it once was, the POV of JESUS, his DISCIPLES and his SERVANTS.

                Know God YHWH Elohim is One. And love Him with all. Mk 12, red letter words.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by nothead View Post

                  And so...the concept is SALVIFIC even though it has no term to describe, or even a set of principles to buttress, all in one place HERMANO??
                  NOT SALVIFIC, but anyone who is saved knows it. Anyone who denies it is NOT saved.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by john wilcox View Post
                    NOT SALVIFIC, but anyone who is saved knows it. Anyone who denies it is NOT saved.
                    Um...Jesus denied it. Jn 17:3 red letter. Shema the first Command of the Judeo-Christian faith denies it. OT across the board denies it. NT across the board denies it for those who investigated.

                    Jesus is not saved HERMANO??

                    And WHAT pray tell is this word SAVED among the brethren sir? Saved ENDGAME or...saved from the lowly BOUNDS and ROPES and BINDINGS of sin and death in Covenant? WHICH made us sin ALLA TIME SIR??
                    Last edited by nothead; 09-16-18, 04:46 AM.
                    Shema will change the Christian World.

                    Turn it upside down. To where it once was, the POV of JESUS, his DISCIPLES and his SERVANTS.

                    Know God YHWH Elohim is One. And love Him with all. Mk 12, red letter words.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by nothead View Post

                      Um...Jesus denied it. Jn 17:3 red letter. Shema the first Command of the Judeo-Christian faith denies it. OT across the board denies it. NT across the board denies it for those who investigated.

                      Jesus is not saved HERMANO??

                      And WHAT pray tell is this word SAVED among the brethren sir? Saved ENDGAME or...saved from the lowly BOUNDS and ROPES and BINDINGS of sin and death in Covenant? WHICH made us sin ALLA TIME SIR??
                      Jesus denied NOTHING in John 17.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by john wilcox View Post
                        Jesus denied NOTHING in John 17.
                        THIS is eternal life...that they know YOU the ONLY TRUE GOD

                        ...and that they also know Christ Jesus whom YOU sent.

                        Jesus is denying he is God right then and THERE sir. By saying his Father and God is the ONLY TRUE GOD.

                        Only the lonely don't know what only is, can't get a gf even wif buck teef sir.
                        Shema will change the Christian World.

                        Turn it upside down. To where it once was, the POV of JESUS, his DISCIPLES and his SERVANTS.

                        Know God YHWH Elohim is One. And love Him with all. Mk 12, red letter words.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by nothead View Post

                          THIS is eternal life...that they know YOU the ONLY TRUE GOD

                          ...and that they also know Christ Jesus whom YOU sent.

                          Jesus is denying he is God right then and THERE sir. By saying his Father and God is the ONLY TRUE GOD.

                          Only the lonely don't know what only is, can't get a gf even wif buck teef sir.
                          He is denying NOTHING. He is affirming eternal life is to KNOW The Father and Son.
                          BTW He said His Father is the only True God, NOT that His God is the only True God.Don't put words into His mouth. Dangerous thing to do.

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                          • #43



                            Originally posted by Aeg4371 View Post
                            I would hardly think it a big deal Luther would say what anyone of rational intellect can say. That this name Trinity is not verbatim in scriptures. Doesn't matter on account of this name Trinity expressed what is in scriptures. Besides we modern English only Christians are under the impression the ancients to not say ,in refuting the heretics new words and terms word needed to express the ancient. The historical fact is , most of what anti Trinitarian Oneness and Unitarians erroneously teach today, is the precise contribution and imposition by decree to Trinitarian terminology. Therefore I have no idea what point you intended to make by this thread.

                            btw Luther as Wesley and John understood the Trinity as was understood by the medieval theologians .

                            nothead replied
                            09-14-18, 01:43 PM
                            Luther was a medieval theologian genius.

                            It would be very odd to have the CONCEPT of Trinity without a word to define, as in TRINITY sir. You THINKY think it is no big deal because you don't thinky THINK much sir.

                            It are peoples like YOU sir who thunky thought the NT AUTHORS are less adept as your Greek thunken DOCTORS were, Doctor Zhivago.

                            Yes Luther was a medieval theologian. I meant those who preceded him by several hundreds years. As in the Catholic Latin doctors.The medieval period is from the 9th to the 16th century give or take.

                            Why would we need a word to define the Trinity besides God or three interrelated hypostases? We have scriptures themselves to witness God three fold dispensation. According to scriptures that would be in the subsistence or hypostasis of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit, signified by this name Trinity. We cannot divide the Word/Son and Spirit from the Father, therefore we cannot divide the substance of being very true God.

                            We distinguish God in a manifold manner as the scriptures have said it, however we do not divide Him into many as you erroneously assert and suppose.
                            Last edited by Aeg4371; 09-17-18, 01:43 PM. Reason: correction

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