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  • Presentist
    started a topic When you mention "Jesus' soul"...

    When you mention "Jesus' soul"...

    Originally posted by Kampioen View Post

    Does the concrete human nature and concrete divine nature of Jesus' soul constitute two concrete natures? (yes/no) ... or is it one concrete nature that is both human and divine? (yes/no)

    I say two natures, one immutable and one not, the immutable which possesses the awareness.

    When you mention "Jesus' soul", are you referring to the soul of the man Christ Jesus?

    Or are you referring to the soul of the Word?

    Instead of your question, I would have thought a Trinitarian would ask...

    Does the concrete human nature and concrete divine nature of the Word constitute two concrete natures? (yes/no)


    Because many Trinitarians say God or the Word does not have a soul?

    But if you are indeed referring to the soul of the man Christ Jesus...

    Then you are saying the soul of the man Christ Jesus possesses a concrete divine nature as well as a concrete human nature.

    Correct?


    In contrast to the Trinitarian view, here is an overview of what I believe...

    For this creation, YHWH God (the only one who transcends all creations) determined to create a universe with a kingdom of redeemed humans (living souls) for his glory where he would reign as a living soul himself. The Scriptures describe how God would accomplish his plan. In an instant, transcendent God (God the Father) created the supernatural and space-time of this universe and also became immanent as a spirit (the Spirit of God) and in the form of a living soul with a spiritual body (the Word of God). God the Father created all things within the universe by the power of the Spirit of God commanded by the Word of God. But whereas God created each of us, God himself as the Word is Jesus. At his birth, the Word exchanged his spiritual body for a natural body to be made like us so he could make reconciliation for our sins. At his resurrection, the Word regained his spiritual body and he will also give each of his elect a spiritual body when he returns to reign in his kingdom forever.

  • john wilcox
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    Originally posted by Presentist View Post

    I was using your term. So it means what it means in this statement of yours...







    Trinitarians seem to have various ideas about what each of those terms mean.



    So could you answer Yes / No to the questions...

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with God?

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with YHWH?

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with the Trinity? You said No before.


    Staggering case of mis-quoting. Quote me correctly Mr. Present.
    YHWH is the name for God in Israel, a name no longer used in the NT.

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  • Presentist
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    Originally posted by john wilcox View Post

    I'M not quite sure what you mean by "have anything to do" with God.
    I was using your term. So it means what it means in this statement of yours...

    Originally posted by john wilcox View Post

    Chromosomes have NOTHING to do with The Trinity.


    Originally posted by john wilcox View Post

    NO idea why you use the terms God and YHWH since they are the SAME God.
    Trinitarians seem to have various ideas about what each of those terms mean.



    So could you answer Yes / No to the questions...

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with God?

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with YHWH?

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with the Trinity? You said No before.



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  • john wilcox
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    Originally posted by Presentist View Post


    Hey, could you answer Yes / No to the questions...

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with God?

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with YHWH?

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with the Trinity?


    You previously answered No to the last question, but I will give you a chance to change your mind if you want.
    NO idea why you use the terms God and YHWH since they are the SAME God. The MAN Jesus Christ is NOT a member of The Trinity and carried out the will of His God in bringing us salvation.
    BTW I'M not quite sure what you mean by "have anything to do" with God.Change my mind???About WHAT????

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  • Presentist
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    Originally posted by john wilcox View Post

    God BECAME The MAN, Jesus Christ.
    YHWH IS God and vice versa.
    God is The God of The MAN, Jesus Christ.


    Hey, could you answer Yes / No to the questions...

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with God?

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with YHWH?

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with the Trinity?


    You previously answered No to the last question, but I will give you a chance to change your mind if you want.

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  • john wilcox
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    Originally posted by Presentist View Post



    For clarification...

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with God?

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with YHWH?


    P.S.

    I say Yes and Yes.

    YHWH God became everything immaterial about the man Christ Jesus.
    God BECAME The MAN, Jesus Christ.
    YHWH IS God and vice versa.
    God is The God of The MAN, Jesus Christ.

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  • Presentist
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    Originally posted by Presentist View Post

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with The Trinity?
    Originally posted by john wilcox View Post

    NO!

    For clarification...

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with God?

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with YHWH?


    P.S.

    I say Yes and Yes.

    YHWH God became everything immaterial about the man Christ Jesus.

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  • john wilcox
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    Originally posted by Presentist View Post


    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with The Trinity?


    If Yes, then the man Christ Jesus had a Y chromosome.

    That is obvious to anyone other than a Trinitarian.
    NO! But Jesus Christ The Son of God has EVERYTHING to do with The Trinity.

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  • Presentist
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    Originally posted by john wilcox View Post

    Chromosomes have NOTHING to do with The Trinity.

    Does the man Christ Jesus have anything to do with The Trinity?


    If Yes, then the man Christ Jesus had a Y chromosome.

    That is obvious to anyone other than a Trinitarian.

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  • john wilcox
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    Originally posted by Presentist View Post



    Wow! But actually...

    If Jesus was 100% MAN, then it definitely IS RELEVANT that he had a Y chromosome.


    P.S.

    This is an example of what I mean when I say the doctrine of the Trinity confuses people more than help them understand the nature of God and Jesus.

    I doubt ANYONE would say they are not sure if Jesus had a Y chromosome....

    EXCEPT for someone who has been affected by the doctrine of the Trinity and is desperately trying to make it work.

    Chromosomes have NOTHING to do with The Trinity.

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  • Presentist
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    Originally posted by Presentist View Post

    You do believe Jesus had a Y chromosome, right?
    Originally posted by john wilcox View Post

    I don't know. Irrelevant.

    Wow! But actually...

    If Jesus was 100% MAN, then it definitely IS RELEVANT that he had a Y chromosome.


    P.S.

    This is an example of what I mean when I say the doctrine of the Trinity confuses people more than help them understand the nature of God and Jesus.

    I doubt ANYONE would say they are not sure if Jesus had a Y chromosome....

    EXCEPT for someone who has been affected by the doctrine of the Trinity and is desperately trying to make it work.


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  • john wilcox
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    Originally posted by Presentist View Post


    So what man provided Jesus’’ Y chromosome?

    You do believe Jesus had a Y chromosome, right?
    NO man!
    I don't know.Irrelevant.

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  • Presentist
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    Originally posted by john wilcox View Post

    The Y chromosome is provided by men, NOT God.

    So what man provided Jesus’’ Y chromosome?

    You do believe Jesus had a Y chromosome, right?

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  • john wilcox
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    Originally posted by Presentist View Post


    But the man Christ Jesus had a Y chromosome. Right?

    And since Mary did not have a Y chromosome, I thought you might think God BECAME a man means God became Jesus’ Y chromosome.

    If not, then what part of the man Jesus is part of God?

    Kamp says it is the “supernatural personal existence”. Do you agree with Kamp or think it is something else?
    The Y chromosome is provided by men, NOT God.
    God became a chromosome???Paganistic trash.
    Jesus Christ IS God, NOT part of God.
    Kamp is too philosophical and mystical for my taste.

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  • Presentist
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    Originally posted by john wilcox View Post
    It means God BECAME a MAN, BOTH body and spirit.
    Final question is unknowable and cannot be answered.
    God is God and has NO chromosomes. ONLY men do.

    But the man Christ Jesus had a Y chromosome. Right?

    And since Mary did not have a Y chromosome, I thought you might think God BECAME a man means God became Jesus’ Y chromosome.

    If not, then what part of the man Jesus is part of God?

    Kamp says it is the “supernatural personal existence”. Do you agree with Kamp or think it is something else?

    Leave a comment:

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