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  • Originally posted by Sane James View Post

    Do you denounce these actions when Mohammed orders women stoned to death, people (including women) assassinated, people tortured, raped and enslaved?

    Is it ok when Mohammed does it or do you denounce it?
    In the Quran: "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."

    I do not see any stone-to-death sentence for adultery in the Quran compared to the death sentence for adulterers written in your official Bible.

    Christians Capital Laws based on Biblical injunctions.

    If any person commit ADULTERIE with a married, or espoused wife; the Adulterer & Adulteresse shal surely be put to death.

    Lev. 20. 10 - 14
    10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

    11 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

    12 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.

    13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

    14 “‘If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.

    Deu 22:23-24

    23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,

    24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.


    There are many sentences for the death penalty for Christian criminals in the Bible.

    Do you denounce it?​​​​​​






    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."(person), both will fall into a pit."

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    • Originally posted by Asry View Post

      In the Quran: "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."

      I do not see any stone-to-death sentence for adultery in the Quran compared to the death sentence for adulterers written in your official Bible.

      Christians Capital Laws based on Biblical injunctions.

      If any person commit ADULTERIE with a married, or espoused wife; the Adulterer & Adulteresse shal surely be put to death.

      Lev. 20. 10 - 14
      10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

      11 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

      12 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.

      13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

      14 “‘If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.

      Deu 22:23-24

      23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,

      24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.


      There are many sentences for the death penalty for Christian criminals in the Bible.

      Do you denounce it?​​​​​​
      You reveal abject ignorance concerning what is or isn't Christian laws, sir. The passages you quoted were given to the Jews .... NOT to the Christians!

      And you diverted from and ignored a simple question:
      Is it ok when Mohammed does it or do you denounce it? You are surely aware that as a Muslim you are bound by your sacralized writings to obey Muhammad and to follow his example!!
      Joh 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. [NIV]

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      • Originally posted by sk0rpi0n View Post
        Islam had spread all across the Arabian peninsula during the prophets lifetime. And within only a hundred or so years after his death, the entire middle east, persia and north africa.

        One of three things happened:

        1. Islam is a true religion inspired by God, and God willed for it to spread far and wide in a very short period of time.
        2. Islam was a false religion and God had nothing to do with it, but God was unable to prevent Mohammad and the Arabs from spreading it.
        3. Islam was a false religion but God intentionally spread this false religion (instead of the "true" religion of the Bible), apparently deceive billions of humans.

        I'll go with #1.
        4. Muslims threatened convert or die.
        5. Muslims produced an excessive number of children.
        2 Timothy 3
        16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

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        • Originally posted by sk0rpi0n View Post
          Islam had spread all across the Arabian peninsula during the prophets lifetime. And within only a hundred or so years after his death, the entire middle east, persia and north africa. One of three things happened:
          You left off the fourth thing, of course - i.e. the ISLAM is a FALSE Religious system that God allowed to propagate among people that had rejected Him, and which spreads itself through coercion and terrorism.

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          • Originally posted by Asry View Post
            Please provide proof of evidence verse or any scriptures of the Torah and the Bible that Moses and Jesus has said religion taught by them is perfect and complete.

            Allah challenged the Jews and Christians, And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful."

            The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.

            John 19
            28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
            29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
            30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

            finish τελέω teleō g5055
            1. to bring to a close, to finish, to end
              1. passed, finished
            2. to perform, execute, complete, fulfil, (so that the thing done corresponds to what has been said, the order, command etc.)
              1. with special reference to the subject matter, to carry out the contents of a command
              2. with reference also to the form, to do just as commanded, and generally involving the notion of time, to perform the last act which completes a process, to accomplish, fulfil
            3. to pay
              1. of tribute

                In Jhn 19:30 the word means, "It is finished." Christ satisfied God's justice by dying for all to pay for the sins of the elect. These sins can never be punished again since that would violate God's justice. Sins can only be punished once, either by a substitute or by yourself.
            I am curious was allah ever pleased with Mohammad?
            16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
            17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
            2 Timothy 3
            16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

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            • Originally posted by Asry View Post

              In the Quran: "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."

              I do not see any stone-to-death sentence for adultery in the Quran compared to the death sentence for adulterers written in your official Bible.
              Ubay ibn Ka’b, one of the great companions…, the Suyuti says,

              "This famous companion asked one of the Muslims, ‘How many verses in the chapter of the Parties?’ He said, ‘Seventy-two or seventy-three verses.’ He (Ubay) told him, ‘It used to be almost equal to the chapter of the Cow (about 286 verses) and included the verse of the stoning.’ The man asked, ‘What is the verse of the stoning?’ He said, ‘If an old man or woman committed adultery, stone them to death."’

              "During the collection of the Qur’an, people used to come to Zayd Ibn Thabit (with the verses they memorized). He shunned recording any verse unless two witnesses attested to it. The last verse of chapter of Repentance was found only with Khuzayma Ibn Thabit. Zayd said, ‘Record it because the apostle of God made the testimony of Khuzayma equal to the testimony of two men.’ ’Umar came with the verse of the stoning but it was not recorded because he was the only witness to it."

              "The verses of stoning and breast feeding were in the possession of A’isha in a (Qur’anic) copy. When Muhammad died and people became busy in the burial preparations, a domesticated animal entered in and ate it."

              Sahih Bukhari (6:60:79) (alt link) - Two people guilty of illegal intercourse are brought to Muhammad, who orders them both stoned to death. Apparently their act was out of love, since the verse records the man as trying to shield the woman from the stones.

              Sahih Bukhari (83:37) - Adultery is one of three justifications for killing a person, according to Muhammad.

              Sahih Muslim (17:4192) - This hadith clarifies the different penalties for adultery (when the subjects are married), and fornication (when they are not): "in case of married (persons) there is (a punishment) of one hundred lashes and then stoning (to death). And in case of unmarried persons, (the punishment) is one hundred lashes and exile for one year" (See also 17:4191)

              Sahih Muslim (17:4196) - A married man confesses to adultery. Muhammad orders him planted in the ground and pelted with stones. According to the passage, the first several stones caused such pain that he tried to escape and had to be dragged back.

              Sahih Muslim (17:4206) - A woman who became pregnant confesses to Muhammad that she is guilty of adultery. Muhammad allows her to have the child, then has her stoned. The description is graphic: "Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her."

              Sahih Muslim (17:4209) - A woman confesses adultery and is stoned to death on Muhammad's order.

              Ibn Ishaq (970) - "The adulterer must be stoned." These words were a part of Muhammad's farewell address to his people on the occasion of his final pilgrimage to Mecca.

              Islamic Law - "The stone shall not be so big so as to kill the person by one or two strikes, neither shall it be so small that it cannot be called a stone" The victim is intended to suffer.

              They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. John 16:2

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