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  • #16
    Originally posted by john t View Post
    What the Muslim poster needs to do is to cite where there is another religion other than Islam that calls for its adherents to kill the infidel (kifir)

    Yeah, we read some of your evil Qur'an, and we both know that you cannot make any statement against it. Therefore you must accept it all, and not reject those statements because there is a severs penalty if you do that.
    They treat us like we are stupid like we havent done any serious study of the Koran and hadith

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Asry
      edited
      Now would you please show us where Jesus ever authorized, permitted, or ordered such activities?

      Meanwhile, back in Medina .....

      Last edited by Mod8; 08-04-18, 09:25 PM. Reason: quote box
      Joh 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. [NIV]

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Trucker View Post

        Now would you please show us where Jesus ever authorized, permitted, or ordered such activities?

        Meanwhile, back in Medina .....

        Good one.

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        • #19
          Funny Muslims always talk about the pact of Umar without actually quoting it, here’s what it actually says:
          • The ruler would provide security for the Christian believers who follow the rules of the pact.
          • Prohibition against building new churches, places of worship, monasteries, monks or a new cell. (Hence it was also forbidden to build new synagogues, although it is known that new synagogues were built after the occupation of the Islam, for example in Jerusalem and Ramle. The law that prohibits to build new synagogues was not new for the Jews, it was applied also during the Byzantines. It was new for the Christians.)
          • Prohibition against rebuilding destroyed churches, by day or night, in their own neighborhoods or those situated in the quarters of the Muslims.
          • Prohibition against hanging a cross on the Churches.
          • Muslims should be allowed to enter Churches (for shelter) in any time, both in day and night.
          • Obliging the call of prayer by a bell or a kind of Gong (Nakos) to be low in volume.
          • Prohibition of Christians and Jews against raising their voices at prayer times.
          • Prohibition against teaching non-Muslim children the Qur'an.
          • Christians were forbidden to show their religion in public, or to be seen with Christian books or symbols in public, on the roads or in the markets of the Muslims.
          • Palm Sunday and Easter parades were banned.
          • Funerals should be conducted quietly.
          • Prohibition against burying non-Muslim dead near Muslims.
          • Prohibition against raising a pig next to a Muslims neighbor.
          • Christian were forbidden to sell Muslims alcoholic beverage.
          • Christians were forbidden to provide cover or shelter for spies.
          • Prohibition against telling a lie about Muslims.
          • Obligation to show deference toward Muslims. If a Muslim wishes to sit, non-Muslim should be rise from his seats and let the Muslim sit.
          • Prohibition against preaching to Muslims in an attempt to convert them from Islam.
          • Prohibition against preventing the conversion to Islam of some one who wants to convert.
          • The appearance of the non-Muslims has to be different from those of the Muslims: Prohibition against wearing Qalansuwa (kind of dome that was used to wear by Bedouin), Bedouin turban (Amamh), Muslims shoes, and Sash to their waists. As to their heads, it was forbidden to comb the hair sidewise as the Muslim custom, and they were forced to cut the hair in the front of the head. Also non-Muslim shall not imitate the Arab-Muslim way of speech nor shall adopt the kunyas (Arabic byname, such as "abu Khattib").
          • Obligation to identify non-Muslims as such by clipping the heads' forelocks and by always dressing in the same manner, wherever they go, with binding the zunar (a kind of belt) around the waists. Christians to wear blue belts or turbans, Jews to wear yellow belts or turbans, Zoroastrians to wear black belts or turbans, and Samaritans to wear red belts or turbans.
          • Prohibition against riding animals in the Muslim custom, and prohibition against riding with a saddle.
          • Prohibition against adopting a Muslim title of honor.
          • Prohibition against engraving Arabic inscriptions on signet seals.
          • Prohibition against any possession of weapons.
          • Non-Muslims must host a Muslim passerby for at least 3 days and feed him.
          • Non-Muslims prohibited from buying a Muslim prisoner.
          • Prohibition against taking slaves who have been allotted to Muslims.
          • Prohibition against non-Muslims to lead, govern or employ Muslims.
          • If a non-Muslim beats a Muslim, his Dhimmi is removed.
          • The worship places of non-Muslims must be lower in elevation than the lowest mosque in town.
          • The houses of non-Muslims must not be taller in elevation than the houses of Muslims.

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          • #20
            Funny how Muslims always talk about the Pact of Umar without actually quoting it, here’s what it actually says:
            • The ruler would provide security for the Christian believers who follow the rules of the pact.
            • Prohibition against building new churches, places of worship, monasteries, monks or a new cell. (Hence it was also forbidden to build new synagogues, although it is known that new synagogues were built after the occupation of the Islam, for example in Jerusalem and Ramle. The law that prohibits to build new synagogues was not new for the Jews, it was applied also during the Byzantines. It was new for the Christians.)
            • Prohibition against rebuilding destroyed churches, by day or night, in their own neighborhoods or those situated in the quarters of the Muslims.
            • Prohibition against hanging a cross on the Churches.
            • Muslims should be allowed to enter Churches (for shelter) in any time, both in day and night.
            • Obliging the call of prayer by a bell or a kind of Gong (Nakos) to be low in volume.
            • Prohibition of Christians and Jews against raising their voices at prayer times.
            • Prohibition against teaching non-Muslim children the Qur'an.
            • Christians were forbidden to show their religion in public, or to be seen with Christian books or symbols in public, on the roads or in the markets of the Muslims.
            • Palm Sunday and Easter parades were banned.
            • Funerals should be conducted quietly.
            • Prohibition against burying non-Muslim dead near Muslims.
            • Prohibition against raising a pig next to a Muslims neighbor.
            • Christian were forbidden to sell Muslims alcoholic beverage.
            • Christians were forbidden to provide cover or shelter for spies.
            • Prohibition against telling a lie about Muslims.
            • Obligation to show deference toward Muslims. If a Muslim wishes to sit, non-Muslim should be rise from his seats and let the Muslim sit.
            • Prohibition against preaching to Muslims in an attempt to convert them from Islam.
            • Prohibition against preventing the conversion to Islam of some one who wants to convert.
            • The appearance of the non-Muslims has to be different from those of the Muslims: Prohibition against wearing Qalansuwa (kind of dome that was used to wear by Bedouin), Bedouin turban (Amamh), Muslims shoes, and Sash to their waists. As to their heads, it was forbidden to comb the hair sidewise as the Muslim custom, and they were forced to cut the hair in the front of the head. Also non-Muslim shall not imitate the Arab-Muslim way of speech nor shall adopt the kunyas (Arabic byname, such as "abu Khattib").
            • Obligation to identify non-Muslims as such by clipping the heads' forelocks and by always dressing in the same manner, wherever they go, with binding the zunar (a kind of belt) around the waists. Christians to wear blue belts or turbans, Jews to wear yellow belts or turbans, Zoroastrians to wear black belts or turbans, and Samaritans to wear red belts or turbans.
            • Prohibition against riding animals in the Muslim custom, and prohibition against riding with a saddle.
            • Prohibition against adopting a Muslim title of honor.
            • Prohibition against engraving Arabic inscriptions on signet seals.
            • Prohibition against any possession of weapons.
            • Non-Muslims must host a Muslim passerby for at least 3 days and feed him.
            • Non-Muslims prohibited from buying a Muslim prisoner.
            • Prohibition against taking slaves who have been allotted to Muslims.
            • Prohibition against non-Muslims to lead, govern or employ Muslims.
            • If a non-Muslim beats a Muslim, his Dhimmi is removed.
            • The worship places of non-Muslims must be lower in elevation than the lowest mosque in town.
            • The houses of non-Muslims must not be taller in elevation than the houses of Muslims.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Al Masihi View Post
              Funny how Muslims always talk about the Pact of Umar without actually quoting it, here’s what it actually says:
              • The ruler would provide security for the Christian believers who follow the rules of the pact.
              • Prohibition against building new churches, places of worship, monasteries, monks or a new cell. (Hence it was also forbidden to build new synagogues, although it is known that new synagogues were built after the occupation of the Islam, for example in Jerusalem and Ramle. The law that prohibits to build new synagogues was not new for the Jews, it was applied also during the Byzantines. It was new for the Christians.)
              • Prohibition against rebuilding destroyed churches, by day or night, in their own neighborhoods or those situated in the quarters of the Muslims.
              • Prohibition against hanging a cross on the Churches.
              • Muslims should be allowed to enter Churches (for shelter) in any time, both in day and night.
              • Obliging the call of prayer by a bell or a kind of Gong (Nakos) to be low in volume.
              • Prohibition of Christians and Jews against raising their voices at prayer times.
              • Prohibition against teaching non-Muslim children the Qur'an.
              • Christians were forbidden to show their religion in public, or to be seen with Christian books or symbols in public, on the roads or in the markets of the Muslims.
              • Palm Sunday and Easter parades were banned.
              • Funerals should be conducted quietly.
              • Prohibition against burying non-Muslim dead near Muslims.
              • Prohibition against raising a pig next to a Muslims neighbor.
              • Christian were forbidden to sell Muslims alcoholic beverage.
              • Christians were forbidden to provide cover or shelter for spies.
              • Prohibition against telling a lie about Muslims.
              • Obligation to show deference toward Muslims. If a Muslim wishes to sit, non-Muslim should be rise from his seats and let the Muslim sit.
              • Prohibition against preaching to Muslims in an attempt to convert them from Islam.
              • Prohibition against preventing the conversion to Islam of some one who wants to convert.
              • The appearance of the non-Muslims has to be different from those of the Muslims: Prohibition against wearing Qalansuwa (kind of dome that was used to wear by Bedouin), Bedouin turban (Amamh), Muslims shoes, and Sash to their waists. As to their heads, it was forbidden to comb the hair sidewise as the Muslim custom, and they were forced to cut the hair in the front of the head. Also non-Muslim shall not imitate the Arab-Muslim way of speech nor shall adopt the kunyas (Arabic byname, such as "abu Khattib").
              • Obligation to identify non-Muslims as such by clipping the heads' forelocks and by always dressing in the same manner, wherever they go, with binding the zunar (a kind of belt) around the waists. Christians to wear blue belts or turbans, Jews to wear yellow belts or turbans, Zoroastrians to wear black belts or turbans, and Samaritans to wear red belts or turbans.
              • Prohibition against riding animals in the Muslim custom, and prohibition against riding with a saddle.
              • Prohibition against adopting a Muslim title of honor.
              • Prohibition against engraving Arabic inscriptions on signet seals.
              • Prohibition against any possession of weapons.
              • Non-Muslims must host a Muslim passerby for at least 3 days and feed him.
              • Non-Muslims prohibited from buying a Muslim prisoner.
              • Prohibition against taking slaves who have been allotted to Muslims.
              • Prohibition against non-Muslims to lead, govern or employ Muslims.
              • If a non-Muslim beats a Muslim, his Dhimmi is removed.
              • The worship places of non-Muslims must be lower in elevation than the lowest mosque in town.
              • The houses of non-Muslims must not be taller in elevation than the houses of Muslims.
              After Christians conquered Jerusalem in 1099, Crusaders terrorists brutally massacred Jews, Muslims, Christians and other inhabitants.
              Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."(person), both will fall into a pit."

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              • #22
                After Christians conquered Jerusalem in 1099, Crusaders terrorists brutally massacred Jews, Muslims, Christians and other inhabitants.
                Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."(person), both will fall into a pit."

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Asry View Post
                  After Christians conquered Jerusalem in 1099, Crusaders terrorists brutally massacred Jews, Muslims, Christians and other inhabitants.
                  Muslim Turks were responsible for the genocide of 1.5 non Muslims in 1915.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Asry View Post
                    After Christians conquered Jerusalem in 1099, Crusaders terrorists brutally massacred Jews, Muslims, Christians and other inhabitants.
                    Now show us Jesus' instructions for such actions. [Lotsa luck with that one!]

                    Meanwhile, back at Muhammad's torture chambers ....

                    And Muhammad is your supreme exemplar, you know!

                    Get real man!!
                    Joh 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. [NIV]

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Asry View Post
                      After Christians conquered Jerusalem in 1099, Crusaders terrorists brutally massacred Jews, Muslims, Christians and other inhabitants.
                      Your forefathers first did it to the Christians and Jews as a way of "conversion". Should not the perpetrators of genocide go unpunished? That was the lesson learned many centuries later at Nuremberg when the key Nazis paid dearly for the Jewish Holocaust. .

                      Of course, two wrongs do not make a right, but vengeance (such as what you are accusing the Crusaders of doing, is much different than just retribution for crimes against humanity.

                      Please get your facts straight before you attempt to dazzle us with irrelevant drama
                      MY FOUR APOLOGETIC AXIOMS

                      1. Any verse ripped from its context is a pretext 100% of the time

                      2. We attack lies so others will see the truth; that is proof of our love for all cultists, not our hatred .

                      3. Inconsistency is a tiny hobgoblin haunting every cult

                      4. "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire







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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Asry View Post
                        After Christians conquered Jerusalem in 1099, Crusaders terrorists brutally massacred Jews, Muslims, Christians and other inhabitants.
                        Have you ever studied the Islamic crusades that started shortly after Muhammad's death? Muslims attacked Christians when they were not a threat to Muslims. This went on for about 464 years before the Pope was asked for help.

                        The Christians reponded to Muslim agression.


                        They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. John 16:2

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by George View Post

                          Have you ever studied the Islamic crusades that started shortly after Muhammad's death? Muslims attacked Christians when they were not a threat to Muslims. This went on for about 464 years before the Pope was asked for help.

                          The Christians reponded to Muslim agression.

                          LOL! You have to educate yourself how Christianity spread among your ancestors before the advent of Islam. Islam has liberated my ancestors from the outrage, persecution and oppression of Christians. My ancestors made the right decision to accept the teachings of Islam.


                          At the time of Muhammad's presence, no representative of the Vatican and Nicene Christian who came face to face or met with Muhammad to argue and debate. And you want to know why, because they are not among or belong to the People of the Book.
                          Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."(person), both will fall into a pit."

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Asry View Post
                            LOL! You have to educate yourself how Christianity spread among your ancestors before the advent of Islam. Islam has liberated my ancestors from the outrage, persecution and oppression of Christians. My ancestors made the right decision to accept the teachings of Islam..
                            Sir, Biblical [that is True] Christianity cannot possibly be spread by the sword. True Islam IS spread by the sword, deceit, terrorism, and so on. This is just facts, Facts confirmed by the respective Scriptures of Christianity and Islam, the recorded history, and today's headlines.
                            Joh 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. [NIV]

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Asry View Post

                              LOL! You have to educate yourself how Christianity spread among your ancestors before the advent of Islam. Islam has liberated my ancestors from the outrage, persecution and oppression of Christians. My ancestors made the right decision to accept the teachings of Islam.


                              At the time of Muhammad's presence, no representative of the Vatican and Nicene Christian who came face to face or met with Muhammad to argue and debate. And you want to know why, because they are not among or belong to the People of the Book.
                              The Christians reponded to Muslim agression against Christians and that is a fact that cannot be denied.
                              They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. John 16:2

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