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  • #46
    Originally posted by jerrygg38 View Post

    Unfortunately the Bible is unscientific and God must have an interface with the physical dimensions in order to communicate with us. Basically God has two components. The Body OF God is the entire universe which is a multi light speed structure. The mind of God exists within the body of God. At some point there is no universe and the mind of God is stored in a computer type file. Once the physical universe forms the stored intelligence of God becomes active intelligence within an ultra high light speed photonic field. The universe is erasing and someday God will return to a state of sleep or storage. then the cycle will begin again. Mormons like to believe that somehow they will become like God. Such things are not possible. Only God is God. Yet the interface between man and God is through prophets of God such as Moses, Isaiah, etc. I believe that both Judaism and Christianity serve God but in different ways. Judaism stresses new Earth salvation as per Isaiah while christianity stresses angelic salvation through Jesus. Each serves God differently.
    The interface between God and man is Jesus Christ. I am not sure how you can miss this fact if you have read the Bible carefully and reflected upon what the crucifixion and resurection was meant to achieve. Salvation through Jesus has nothing to do with what the angels do, because they are basically messengers sent from God. The Son, who we call Jesus, is at the right hand of God. Everything comes under his dominion.

    I also want want to disagree with you about the point of the Bible not being scientific. You should have said that God had more important issues to speak about than to give a science lesson. The mistake so many make is to presume that God has to prove or justify himself. For me, there is plenty in the Bible to explain scientific matters. In today's world, we should be more concerned about areas of science that mislead the masses.
    In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe (Hebrews 1:1-2).

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Jake1254 View Post

      There are only 2 valid religions and that's Judaism and Christianity. Although Islam is also monotheistic, it isn't a true faith because it worships a false (moon) god. Thus the crescent moon symbol. Not to mention some of it's teachings as found in their book.
      That moon god stuff is baloney. They're strictly monotheistic and believe in one God who created the world. It isn't a true faith because Muhammad was not a true prophet, that's all.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Moses613 View Post

        That moon god stuff is baloney. They're strictly monotheistic and believe in one God who created the world. It isn't a true faith because Muhammad was not a true prophet, that's all.
        In pre Islamic days the Arabs were indeed pagan and used to worship a moon-god. Now they say Allah is the same God Christians worship. Yet, the quran never defines the word "allah."

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        • #49
          In pre-Christian days the Romans were indeed pagan and worshiped a pantheon of gods. Now they say Jesus is the same God Jews worship. Yet, the New Testament never defines the word "Jesus".

          That's what your response sounds like to me.

          By the way, here's a definition from Quran, Surah 112:
          1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
          2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
          3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
          4. And there is none like unto Him.
          Surah 21:
          1. If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!
          There are plenty more like that. And I don't know the Quran at all. I got these by Googling, "quran what is Allah?" Try it and learn something.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Jake1254 View Post

            In pre Islamic days the Arabs were indeed pagan and used to worship a moon-god. Now they say Allah is the same God Christians worship. Yet, the quran never defines the word "allah."
            1. Allah was always known to Arabs as the God of creation, but over time idolatry crept in to their society and they worshiped false gods as intercessors or partners to the Creator. Mohammad got rid of the idols and established a religion that directed all worship only to the Creator.

            2. the moon god nonsense was propagated by a proven fraud named Robert Morey who claimed to have nonexistent degrees, including one from a Pakistani university that had nothing to do with Morey.

            3. The Koran plainly teaches NOT to worship created objects, but to worship the Creator

            Do not prostrate to the sun or the moon; but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if it is in truth Him Whom ye worship. (41:37)

            So much for the idea that Allah is a moon god.

            4. We don't say Allah is the same God that Christians worship because Christians worship a Trinity or a "god" in the form of a human.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by sk0rpi0n View Post

              1. Allah was always known to Arabs as the God of creation, but over time idolatry crept in to their society and they worshiped false gods as intercessors or partners to the Creator. Mohammad got rid of the idols and established a religion that directed all worship only to the Creator.

              ;
              I don't want to derail this thread any more, but suffice it to say, there's plenty of archeological evidence dug up of temples to the moon god going back to ancient times. In Syria and Canna, the moon-god Sin was represented by the moon in its crescent phase. A temple of the moon-god has been excavated in Ur where Abraham was from.

              The last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of moon-god worship.

              Islam took their symbols, rites, ceremonies, from the ancient pagan religion of the moon-god..It's idolatry and must be rejected by Jews and Christians.

              Ask a Muslim today and they are most likely to deny it.

              This is for another thread and I won't discuss here any further.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

                Are you saying he is not converted to Christianity (or whatever term you use that means the same thing)?
                A Jew converting to Christianity is apostasy, idolatry.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Jake1254 View Post

                  Sure there are benefits. Paul teaches in Galatians that we (Gentile believers in Christ) are of the spiritual seed of Abraham. Gentiles believers by virtue of the spiritual promises God made to Israel, now enjoy the benefits of everything that God did to fulfill this Covenant. IOW, the work of the Cross, the power of His Resurrection, the coming of the Holy Spirit, and all of these blessings we enjoy in this Age of Grace.
                  Paul was an apostate. You trust the words of an apostate who made up seeing Jesus, that no one else could confirm?

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Yiddisher Kop View Post

                    I'm not sure on your religious standing. Are you Jewish?

                    Judaism is only for Jews, so of course Judaism holds that there are valid religions outside of Judaism to service the non-Jews. Torah records G-d speaking to the Jewish people, and it alludes that G-d has spoken to other peoples as well. Any religion or culture that adheres with the seven laws of Noah is, by definition, kosher.

                    Whether or not Christianity can qualify as one of those valid Noahide religion is a little bit more murky. I prefer to follow more generous Rabbinum in thinking that Christianity does indeed constitute a Noahide religion because as zealous as they get about their deity, Jesus, their worship procedures are really more like excited, emotional prayer and conversation sessions than they are sacrificial offerings of humans for more fruitful crops. Cheering and waving your arms to the music in church just doesn't have the same Je Ne Sais Quoi that the human sacrificial rituals had.

                    As for prophets that contradict Torah prophets, we'd have to go one by one.
                    One law for Jew and stranger. What do you call praying to and worshiping a physical form?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Jake1254 View Post

                      I don't want to derail this thread any more, but suffice it to say, there's plenty of archeological evidence dug up of temples to the moon god going back to ancient times. In Syria and Canna, the moon-god Sin was represented by the moon in its crescent phase. A temple of the moon-god has been excavated in Ur where Abraham was from.

                      The last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of moon-god worship.

                      Islam took their symbols, rites, ceremonies, from the ancient pagan religion of the moon-god..It's idolatry and must be rejected by Jews and Christians.

                      Ask a Muslim today and they are most likely to deny it.

                      This is for another thread and I won't discuss here any further.
                      You're just repeating Robert Morey rubbish.
                      There is no "moon god" in Islam. Muslims (I am one) prostrate before the (One and Only) God that Abraham prostrated before.

                      Idolatry, according to the Bible, is to worship a man or to ascribe partners to God...like Christians do so.

                      Muslims are not guilty of idolatry. Christians are.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Jake1254 View Post

                        There are only 2 valid religions and that's Judaism and Christianity. Although Islam is also monotheistic, it isn't a true faith because it worships a false (moon) god. Thus the crescent moon symbol. Not to mention some of it's teachings as found in their book.
                        Christianity is false, worshiping a physical form.
                        Last edited by IronMan; 07-18-17, 03:24 PM.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by sk0rpi0n View Post

                          You're just repeating Robert Morey rubbish.
                          There is no "moon god" in Islam. Muslims (I am one) prostrate before the (One and Only) God that Abraham prostrated before.

                          Idolatry, according to the Bible, is to worship a man or to ascribe partners to God...like Christians do so.

                          Muslims are not guilty of idolatry. Christians are.
                          Never heard of Morey. Go check out what archeologists have discovered.

                          Since you aren't a Christian, what are you then. Muslim?

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by IronMan View Post
                            Christianity is also false, worshiping a physical form.
                            If you're really Jewish and you're engaging in unsolicited evangelization on their turf, then my guess would be that you're not very well schooled in Judaism, either theologically or culturally. It's wrong when Christians do it to us, and it would be doubly wrong if we were to do it to them because we know what it feels like to be on the receiving end.

                            There are different rules for idolatry for Jews and non-Jews. Try asking your local Orthodox Rabbi for some guidance on this matter.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by IronMan View Post
                              Christianity is false, worshiping a physical form.
                              Physical form? God is spirit and those that worship Him, worship Him in spirit and truth.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Jake1254 View Post

                                I don't want to derail this thread any more, but suffice it to say, there's plenty of archeological evidence dug up of temples to the moon god going back to ancient times. In Syria and Canna, the moon-god Sin was represented by the moon in its crescent phase. A temple of the moon-god has been excavated in Ur where Abraham was from.

                                The last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of moon-god worship.

                                Islam took their symbols, rites, ceremonies, from the ancient pagan religion of the moon-god..It's idolatry and must be rejected by Jews and Christians.

                                Ask a Muslim today and they are most likely to deny it.

                                This is for another thread and I won't discuss here any further.
                                I don't think you want to go there, because there is ample evidence that central Christian symbols and celebrations like the virgin birth, trinity, and Christmas, for three off the top of my head, originated in idolatrous practices. Why not look at religions based on what they actually teach rather than what you think historians have proven about their origins?

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