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    Who, exactly, is a "Gentile"? I always thought it was someone who was NOT Jewish by birth/ethnicity. Now, a Jew is a Jew no matter where he lives in the world, correct? But a poster on the Mormon board seems to think that a Gentile can be a Jew living in a non-Jewish country:

    https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/cu...arrogant/page6

    Post no. 79, specifically this:

    It all depends on how you define 'gentile' and from YOUR dictionary link.. the very first definition : a person of a non-Jewish nation. Which is consistent with what I said.. Paul was an apostle to the 'gentiles'.. Persons in non-Jewish NATIONS.. The person may or may not be a Jew by heritage or belief... Just living in a non-Jewish Nation. Paul himself was a 'gentile' by that definition.. He was a person living in a non-Jewish nation.. Tarsus was not Jewish.. He was a roman Citizen as well.. Even if he was a practicing an believing Jew. Hence that is why in Acts we see he usually is teaching to Jews in the local synagogue of non-Jewish nations.
    Here are the definitions:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gentile

    Is this person correct? He is the only person I have ever seen make this argument. Thanks.
    "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
    "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
    "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
    "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
    "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

  • #2
    Bonnie I got this from a site called My Jewish Learning that I go to occasionally. It is very interesting.

    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/art...ernor-of-utah/
    Mark 9:24 Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

    “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things,
    but more frequently than not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.” ― Martin Luther


    Muretus "Call no man worthless for whom Christ died!"

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    • #3
      Interesting, Thekla. I may write to them for more info on this.
      "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
      "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
      "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
      "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
      "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bonnie View Post
        Who, exactly, is a "Gentile"? I always thought it was someone who was NOT Jewish by birth/ethnicity. Now, a Jew is a Jew no matter where he lives in the world, correct? But a poster on the Mormon board seems to think that a Gentile can be a Jew living in a non-Jewish country:

        https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/cu...arrogant/page6

        Post no. 79, specifically this:



        Here are the definitions:

        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gentile

        Is this person correct? He is the only person I have ever seen make this argument. Thanks.
        Mormons are all screwed up about Jews and Gentiles. I pay them no attention. If you want to know what a Jew is, you ask a Jew--a Jew is anyone born of a Jewish mom or who's conversion to Judaism is halakhic (valid by Jewish law). A Gentile is anyone who is not a Jew.
        Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

        For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

          Mormons are all screwed up about Jews and Gentiles. I pay them no attention. If you want to know what a Jew is, you ask a Jew--a Jew is anyone born of a Jewish mom or who's conversion to Judaism is halakhic (valid by Jewish law). A Gentile is anyone who is not a Jew.
          Thanks. I basically figured that.

          I hope I do get a comment from an actual Jew on here. Because I think they would be surprised to know that something thinks that Jews are Gentiles if they live outside Israel.
          "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
          "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
          "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
          "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
          "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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          • #6
            New link--the one in the OP is invalid. The discussion of this got moved to the APO forum:

            https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/th...ws-or-gentiles
            "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
            "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
            "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
            "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
            "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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            • #7
              I've heard that Mormon's consider themselves to be Jews and everyone else-even Jews-are gentiles. It makes no sense what so ever, but I guess they are free to believe as they wish.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TripleT View Post
                I've heard that Mormon's consider themselves to be Jews and everyone else-even Jews-are gentiles. It makes no sense what so ever, but I guess they are free to believe as they wish.
                Exactly. I respect Mormons for the good clean lives they live. But some of their doctrines just leave me baffled.
                Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TripleT View Post
                  I've heard that Mormon's consider themselves to be Jews and everyone else-even Jews-are gentiles. It makes no sense what so ever, but I guess they are free to believe as they wish.
                  What is odd is that even the Mormon church agrees with me, about who and what Gentiles in the Bible are. They used to consider all no-Mormons "Gentiles" but they have toned that down fairly recently.

                  I did write to Jews for Jesus and asked my question in the OP, and got an almost immediate response from a Jewish gentleman who said that my Mormon correspondent is wrong--that a Jew is a Jew no matter where he lives in the world. NOT a Gentile outside of Jewish nations.
                  "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
                  "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
                  "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
                  "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
                  "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bonnie View Post



                    I did write to Jews for Jesus and asked my question in the OP, and got an almost immediate response from a Jewish gentleman who said that my Mormon correspondent is wrong--that a Jew is a Jew no matter where he lives in the world. NOT a Gentile outside of Jewish nations.
                    This is true. A Jew is a Jew no matter where he lives. Mormons may have other beliefs, and of course they are free to believe as they like, as strange as these beliefs may be.

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                    • #11
                      Thanks. But even their own church does not agree with this person. But says Gentiles are non-Jews. I don't get why the insistence that Gentiles are non-Jews AND Jews living outside of Jewish nations. It makes no sense.
                      "I am tired of being treated like a mushroom--they keep me in the dark and feed me manure!" (reasons why a Mormon was leaving the LDS church)
                      "What people don't realize is how much religion costs. They think faith is a big electric blanket, when of course, it is the cross."--Flannery O'Connor
                      "I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran--NOT REFORMED/CALVINIST. PLEASE learn the difference."
                      "The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever."--anonymous
                      "If Jesus isn't THE WAY, then there is nothing else."--Bob

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