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  • What means this? II Cor 4

    2 Corinthians 4 King James Version (KJV)

    4 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

    2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

    3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

    4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

    6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

    7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
    It does not help much to dwell on those things you did or did not do in the past. At the time, you did the very best you could, given your knowledge, and experience.

  • #2
    It means someone is blinded. modern Christians have their traditions which have morphed through the ages until what we have today which looks nothing like the church that Christ established. How do they know they are right? If they refuse to ask God, is that not someone forcing their hand? Is that not someone guiding them opposite of what the scriptures tell us to do? Is that not being guided by the person in front of you and neither looking to the left or right having no idea where you are going? (I've asked. modern Christians have no idea where they are going - except that it will be good) - That is blind. When the person in front falls off the cliff because the person in front of them fell, just pray the rope breaks... doh. wait. don't pray. I forgot.
    "...for now is our salvation nearer to us than when we believed." Romans 13:11 -- What else must be done to move past belief? Faith is belief in action. It is works unto salvation.

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    • #3
      huh?

      Do LDS believes that their god is the god of this world?
      It does not help much to dwell on those things you did or did not do in the past. At the time, you did the very best you could, given your knowledge, and experience.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BrotherofJared View Post
        It means someone is blinded. modern Christians have their traditions which have morphed through the ages until what we have today which looks nothing like the church that Christ established. How do they know they are right? If they refuse to ask God, is that not someone forcing their hand? Is that not someone guiding them opposite of what the scriptures tell us to do? Is that not being guided by the person in front of you and neither looking to the left or right having no idea where you are going? (I've asked. modern Christians have no idea where they are going - except that it will be good) - That is blind. When the person in front falls off the cliff because the person in front of them fell, just pray the rope breaks... doh. wait. don't pray. I forgot.
        Did you ask The True God is the "god of this world" who you should look to in your prayers?

        Seem as if you tend to avoid the OP and instead rant and rave about what you perceive as moderns Christians.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BrotherofJared View Post
          It means someone is blinded. modern Christians have their traditions which have morphed through the ages until what we have today which looks nothing like the church that Christ established. How do they know they are right? If they refuse to ask God, is that not someone forcing their hand? Is that not someone guiding them opposite of what the scriptures tell us to do? Is that not being guided by the person in front of you and neither looking to the left or right having no idea where you are going? (I've asked. modern Christians have no idea where they are going - except that it will be good) - That is blind. When the person in front falls off the cliff because the person in front of them fell, just pray the rope breaks... doh. wait. don't pray. I forgot.
          Seems if modern Christianity has morphed into something not true, why does the Book Of Mormon agree more with Traditional Christianity than Mormonism
          And inasmuch as mine enemies come against you ... ye shall curse them; And whomsoever ye curse, I will curse, and ye shall avenge me of mine enemies (Doctrine and Covenants, 103:24-25)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Daniel Marsh View Post
            2 Corinthians 4 King James Version (KJV)

            4 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

            2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

            3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

            4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

            5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

            6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

            7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
            It means that Satan does his best to rule over the desires of man and blind us to our God. He is the "god" of this world for now. He tries to keep us from the strait and narrow path that leads to God and salvation.
            "But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect” 1 Peter 3:15

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Daniel Marsh View Post
              huh?

              Do LDS believes that their god is the god of this world?
              I don't see where this applies to my statement.
              "...for now is our salvation nearer to us than when we believed." Romans 13:11 -- What else must be done to move past belief? Faith is belief in action. It is works unto salvation.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by jamesone5 View Post

                Did you ask The True God is the "god of this world" who you should look to in your prayers?

                Seem as if you tend to avoid the OP and instead rant and rave about what you perceive as moderns Christians.
                Nope. It's not a perception. It's an observation.
                "...for now is our salvation nearer to us than when we believed." Romans 13:11 -- What else must be done to move past belief? Faith is belief in action. It is works unto salvation.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lishka View Post

                  It means that Satan does his best to rule over the desires of man and blind us to our God. He is the "god" of this world for now. He tries to keep us from the strait and narrow path that leads to God and salvation.
                  True. There is a path which leads to God and salvation. It is strait and narrow. Look at the path modern Christians are on. Is it strait and narrow? Nope. It appears that the only way one can be on that path is if modern Christians say they can. Because what they say is necessary turns out not to be so unless they say it is so. Confess Christ. Believe, unless ur Mormon and in some ******* circles, unless ur Catholic.

                  If it is believe in Christ and confess him as ur Savior, then the work is done. Mormons are saved. But it this not so... Very sad indeed.
                  "...for now is our salvation nearer to us than when we believed." Romans 13:11 -- What else must be done to move past belief? Faith is belief in action. It is works unto salvation.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BrotherofJared View Post

                    Nope. It's not a perception. It's an observation.
                    Well, it's my observation that some here spend more time complaining about how the perceive they are being treated rather than on the issues that count--mainly doctrines and beliefs.

                    I will ask you again: Did you ask The True God is the "god of this world" who you should look to in your prayers?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jamesone5 View Post

                      Well, it's my observation that some here spend more time complaining about how the perceive they are being treated rather than on the issues that count--mainly doctrines and beliefs.

                      I will ask you again: Did you ask The True God is the "god of this world" who you should look to in your prayers?
                      Why would anyone ask God if they should look to Satan??
                      "But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect” 1 Peter 3:15

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jamesone5 View Post

                        Well, it's my observation that some here spend more time complaining about how the perceive they are being treated rather than on the issues that count--mainly doctrines and beliefs.

                        I will ask you again: Did you ask The True God is the "god of this world" who you should look to in your prayers?
                        Then lets not talk about them.

                        I don't see how your question even remotely applies to my statement. The only place where I said anything about "asking", I didn't say who I asked, but to clear that up. I asked modern Christians and they don't know the answer. They have no idea where they are going.

                        The question is stupid. Basically, it is saying, did I ask God if I should direct my prayers to Satan. It is a question completely void of intelligence.
                        "...for now is our salvation nearer to us than when we believed." Romans 13:11 -- What else must be done to move past belief? Faith is belief in action. It is works unto salvation.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lishka View Post

                          Why would anyone ask God if they should look to Satan??
                          Exactly!
                          "...for now is our salvation nearer to us than when we believed." Romans 13:11 -- What else must be done to move past belief? Faith is belief in action. It is works unto salvation.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BrotherofJared View Post
                            Then lets not talk about them.

                            I don't see how your question even remotely applies to my statement. The only place where I said anything about "asking", I didn't say who I asked, but to clear that up. I asked modern Christians and they don't know the answer. They have no idea where they are going.

                            The question is stupid. Basically, it is saying, did I ask God if I should direct my prayers to Satan. It is a question completely void of intelligence.
                            While we are on the subject---So is it a stupid prayer to ask God "is this BoM true?" from a book that already has established truth by some guy named Moroni who may or may not be a fictional character..

                            Instead He directs a truth-seeker to humbly read what is considered His Word [the Bible] to find His Truths. But then. Mormons have already got in the way of that aspect because of their mistrust of His Word [again specifically the Bible
                            **

                            And if you had bothered to read most of the posts----satan is not a God from The True God's perspective, but people can make him very much their God--wittingly or unwittingly.

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