um…maybe think about it
The “if you are so tolerant, why don’t you tolerate my hatred of gay people?” is just as dumb as most Christian apologetics.
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The “if you are so tolerant, why don’t you tolerate my hatred of gay people?” is just as dumb as most Christian apologetics.
Depends on what you mean by “immortal”
Give us a working definition.
Also, there are opinions that are almost universally universally held.
Temujin
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No. I think that murder is immoral. So do most people. More importantly, it's illegal. People don't get punished for immoral acts. They are for illegal acts. Because unlike morality, legality has an objective existence.
Reformedguy
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It's illegal because it's immoral. Like when adultery used to be illegal.
So if murder were made legal, like the purge movies, you would be okay with that? The state says it's legal so have at it.
Reformedguy
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So your intolerant of people who hate gay people. Some intolerance is okay as long as it's Backup approved.
Was interracial marriage immoral when it was illegal?
Can you tell us how you define the word immoral?
Reformedguy
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Reformedguy
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To some it was. Why is your opinion any more valid than theirs?
Reformedguy
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Not conforming to accepted standards of morality. So are these standards objective or subjective?
Universal tolerances can’t exist. If you tolerate intolerances there is no universal tolerances.
Why don’t yo know this?
Temujin
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Wrong, not all immoral things are illegal, adultery for example.
If murder was legal is an oxymoron. Murder is defined as illegal killing. It's one of the many reasons why abortion is not murder.
The "state" is just the organized bit of society. Some societies considered infanticide and paedophilia to be moral. I have no idea what I would think had I been brought up in such a society. As it is, my morality is a product of, amongst other things, my experience of the society I do live in. In which, in case you are in any doubt, murder is illegal and considered immoral.
I have never claimed my subjective opinions are any more valid than anyone else’s.
That’s the sort of thing you people do.
Reformedguy
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Exactly. So who gets to decide? Some intolerance would be wrong right? Or no intolerance is wrong it's just a matter of personal opinion.
Temujin
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Nope. Morality by personal opinion. Some people don't need their ideas on morality to be validated by others. Popular opinion on moral questions, lead to laws. That's why slavery is now illegal.
Thanks for my first laugh of the morning
Reformedguy
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Nope. Not if the state says it's okay such as in the purge. War is a example of legal killing. Besides who said you get to decide murder is illegal killing? Is this standard objective or subjective?
Reformedguy
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So it is based on popular opinion and these laws simply reflect popular opinion.
So if the opinion on slavery would change, then the laws could change and it could become moral.
Who gets to decide?
Are you serious?
I don’t know about you, but I live in a representative Republic. After the Civil Rights movement most of us (not you people) have agreement intolerance is wrong, and we have made acting on intolerance mostly illegal.
Temujin
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If it's legal, it's not murder. There's no example anywhere anytime of state legalized murder. Like married bachelors, it's a contradiction in terms.
Of course, the state might sanction killing, which you personally think should be murder, but that's not the same thing.