Roman Catholic "Indulgences"

[RayneBeau]

Oh it is all part of the RCC back up plans because they cannot trust Jesus to save them. These back up plans can be changed and expanded whenever it suits the hierarchy. I mean it is all about development of teachings from acorn to oak.

True! True! I wonder who rightly understands the origin of Roman Catholic "indulgences" and their so-called 'proper use.'
In the RCC's daily indoctrination classes for children, (cleverly duped as a scholastic education class) which pertains to the daily instructional drilling of the Roman Catholic religion upon the innocent minds of little children, who are methodically taught exactly what they MUST believe, which is that even after sin is forgiven in the confessional by a Roman Catholic priest, there remains the "punishment due to sin" which must be remitted. This of course is all heretical Roman Catholic man-made teaching and is found no where in Holy Scripture. Innocent children are indoctrinated with that belief, which they may NOT doubt under penalty of 'more' sin. The man-made RCC religion falsely teaches that there are two kinds of punishment which, according to the RCC, must be remitted. The two kinds of punishment are: eternal punishment, which God alone can remit; and temporal punishment (which lasts only for a while), and by which the penitent can remit by doing penance, either here or hereafter.
This is where Roman Catholic Church "Indulgences" offer a possible and fruitful means of discharging a penitent's debt of temporal punishment still remaining after the RCC priest says their sins are forgiven. How absurdly crazy is that!!!! and Roman Catholics have been systematically brain-washed edit to believe in all this idiotic malarky, hook, line and sinker!

 

[Nondenom40]

True! True! I wonder who rightly understands the origin of Roman Catholic "indulgences" and their so-called 'proper use.'
In the RCC's daily indoctrination classes for children, (cleverly duped as a scholastic education class) which pertains to the daily instructional drilling of the Roman Catholic religion upon the innocent minds of little children, who are methodically taught exactly what they MUST believe, which is that even after sin is forgiven in the confessional by a Roman Catholic priest, there remains the "punishment due to sin" which must be remitted. This of course is all heretical Roman Catholic man-made teaching and is found no where in Holy Scripture. Innocent children are indoctrinated with that belief, which they may NOT doubt under penalty of 'more' sin. The man-made RCC religion falsely teaches that there are two kinds of punishment which, according to the RCC, must be remitted. The two kinds of punishment are: eternal punishment, which God alone can remit; and temporal punishment (which lasts only for a while), and by which the penitent can remit by doing penance, either here or hereafter.
This is where Roman Catholic Church "Indulgences" offer a possible and fruitful means of discharging a penitent's debt of temporal punishment still remaining after the RCC priest says their sins are forgiven. How absurdly crazy is that!!!! and Roman Catholics have been systematically brain-washed like morons to believe in all this idiotic malarky, hook, line and sinker!

I wonder who rightly understands the origin of Roman Catholic "indulgences"

That could be a discussion on its own. Here is a short excerpt from:

APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION ON INDULGENCES
Indulgentiarum Doctrina
Solemnly Promulgated By His Holiness, Pope Paul VI On January 1, 1967

1. The doctrine and practice of indulgences which have been in force for many centuries in the Catholic Church have a solid foundation in divine revelation[1] which comes from the Apostles and "develops in the Church with the help of the Holy Spirit," while "as the centuries succeed one another the Church constantly moves forward toward the fullness of divine truth until the words of God reach their complete fulfillment in her."[2]

For an exact understanding of this doctrine and of its beneficial use it is necessary, however, to remember truths which the entire Church illumined by the Word of God has always believed and which the bishops, the successors of the Apostles, and first and foremost among them the Roman Pontiffs, the successors of Peter, have taught by means of pastoral practice as well as doctrinal documents throughout the course of centuries to this day.

2. It is a divinely revealed truth that sins bring punishments inflicted by God's sanctity and justice. These must be expiated either on this earth through the sorrows, miseries and calamities of this life and above all through death,[3] or else in the life beyond through fire and torments or "purifying" punishments.[4] Therefore it has always been the conviction of the faithful that the paths of evil are fraught with many stumbling blocks and bring adversities, bitterness and harm to those who follow them.[5]

The 'solid foundation' spoken of footnote #1 cites Trent

1. Cf. Council of Trent, Session 25, Decree On Indulgences (DS [Denzinger-Schonmetzer] 1835); cf. Matt, 28:18.

And Matt 28:18 doesn't say squat about indulgences, as we all knew it wouldn't but here it is again anyway;

Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

So thats the 'solid foundation' of indulgences the rcc has. Pretty weak to start off.

Its a lengthy read and pretty boring but i thought this little nugget was interesting;

Partial as well as plenary indulgences can always be applied to the dead by way of suffrage.

More pagan idiocy.

And i can cite the 'proper use' but nah. Its all pagan nonsense.

Also, expiation is atonement which is unbiblical. And what happened to purgatory being that warm shower catholics want us to think it is?

 

[romishpopishorganist]

And just when you KNOW IT CAN'T GET MORE UTTERLY RIDICULOUS!!!!!

It does.

Somebody should inform our justice system, that when you give Ca$h money to a nice man in a dress, and a fully hat, your "Punishment" is all cancelled.

And someone else should inform the Protestants on this site that straw men aren't arguments.

 

[balshan]

And someone else should inform the Protestants on this site that straw men aren't arguments.

Well the experts in strawmen are the RCs on this site, they are also great at ad hominems and diversion and avoidance.

 

[Blessings8]

True! True! I wonder who rightly understands the origin of Roman Catholic "indulgences" and their so-called 'proper use.'
In the RCC's daily indoctrination classes for children, (cleverly duped as a scholastic education class) which pertains to the daily instructional drilling of the Roman Catholic religion upon the innocent minds of little children, who are methodically taught exactly what they MUST believe, which is that even after sin is forgiven in the confessional by a Roman Catholic priest, there remains the "punishment due to sin" which must be remitted. This of course is all heretical Roman Catholic man-made teaching and is found no where in Holy Scripture. Innocent children are indoctrinated with that belief, which they may NOT doubt under penalty of 'more' sin. The man-made RCC religion falsely teaches that there are two kinds of punishment which, according to the RCC, must be remitted. The two kinds of punishment are: eternal punishment, which God alone can remit; and temporal punishment (which lasts only for a while), and by which the penitent can remit by doing penance, either here or hereafter.
This is where Roman Catholic Church "Indulgences" offer a possible and fruitful means of discharging a penitent's debt of temporal punishment still remaining after the RCC priest says their sins are forgiven. How absurdly crazy is that!!!! and Roman Catholics have been systematically brain-washed like morons to believe in all this idiotic malarky, hook, line and sinker!

I ask sincerely, is there any consequence to personal sin?

 

[A new day]

I ask sincerely, is there any consequence to personal sin?

Private and personal sins cannot be covered forever. When a person sin's, even if it is only personal sin, has an impact on other areas of the individuals life. Sin changes a person's attitude and character, both privately and around others. All sin has its beginnings and resides in the heart. The way to deal with private sin is not to hide or deny it, but to end it.

Proverbs 4:23
Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.

Luke 6:45
The good man brings good things out of the good treasure of his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil treasure of his heart. For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks.

 

[Blessings8]

Private and personal sins cannot be covered forever. When a person sin's, even if it is only personal sin, has an impact on other areas of the individuals life. Sin changes a person's attitude and character, both privately and around others. All sin has its beginnings and resides in the heart. The way to deal with private sin is not to hide or deny it, but to end it.

Proverbs 4:23
Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.

Luke 6:45
The good man brings good things out of the good treasure of his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil treasure of his heart. For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks.

how do you end it?

 

[JoeT]

Do Roman Catholics want to take another stab again at trying to describe and offer yet another one of their dreamed-up explanations, (which the RCC endlessly claims it never changes), as to what Roman Catholic "Indulgences" are? How many times, in their history, is the RCC going to offer another one of their heretical descriptions claiming that their Roman Catholic Church's explanation of "indulgences" will never even consider changing. But, golly gosh, imagine this . . . when "indulgences" were first used by the Church of Roman Catholicism, it was taught that it meant to grant grace for doing penance. But, In popular RCC use today though, "indulgences" has the connotation of lack of penance, something soft, as indulgent parents. The uninformed often attach this latter meaning to the Roman Catholic Church's doctrine of indulgences. They think it means getting something for nothing.

Where in Scripture does it say you have the authority to forgive yourself by recital of "I believe"?

This post exhibits a complete ignorance of what indulgences, the authority of the Church to dispense such indulgences and the effect of indulgences.

JoeT

 

[Blessings8]

Where in Scripture does it say you have the authority to forgive yourself by recital of "I believe"?

This post exhibits a complete ignorance of what indulgences, the authority of the Church to dispense such indulgences and the effect of indulgences.

JoeT

without evening knowing it , NCs use the concept of indulgence.

 

[JoeT]

without evening knowing it , NCs use the concept of indulgence.

That's right, a propaganda hit piece. But, lets pour cool water of truth over the protester finding himself in purgatory paying for
the just punishment of attacking the House of God and other sins.

What indulgences are:

“An indulgence is the remission before God of the temporal punishment due for sins already forgiven as far as their guilt is concerned. This remission the faithful with the proper dispositions and under certain determined conditions acquire through the intervention of the Church which, as minister of the Redemption, authoritatively dispenses and applies the treasury of the satisfaction won by Christ and the Saints.” [Norms for Indulgences No. 1]​

An indulgence is the Church having mercy of the sinner. Indulgences come from full treasury of merit from the acts of Christ, martyrs, and saints and given to the Church militant. The Church bestows to the worthy as an exercise of her authority.

What indulgences are NOT:

• A permission to sin, or a pardon for future sin.
• Remove guilt of sin nor remove sin itself - those granted indulgences are presumed to have made a contrite confession before receiving the indulgence.
• Exempt anybody from the law or their duty and obligations of any kind, especially those related to restitution
• Does not protection from temptations
• It is not a purchased pardon or release from purgatory for the individual or another.

[Cf. Kent, W. (1910). Indulgences. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Retrieved May 26, 2023 from New Advent: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07783a.htm]

JoeT

 

[A new day]

how do you end it?

Ending a habitual sin must first begin with the individual's attitude towards it and change his or her mind about it and agree with God in his or her heart that it against Him, that the person is sinning against first and foremost. And then turn from it.

Paul gave an example of what this means

Ephesians 4:28
Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.

 

[A new day]

That's right, a propaganda hit piece. But, lets pour cool water of truth over the protester finding himself in purgatory paying for
the just punishment of attacking the House of God and other sins.

What indulgences are:

“An indulgence is the remission before God of the temporal punishment due for sins already forgiven as far as their guilt is concerned. This remission the faithful with the proper dispositions and under certain determined conditions acquire through the intervention of the Church which, as minister of the Redemption, authoritatively dispenses and applies the treasury of the satisfaction won by Christ and the Saints.” [Norms for Indulgences No. 1]​

An indulgence is the Church having mercy of the sinner. Indulgences come from full treasury of merit from the acts of Christ, martyrs, and saints and given to the Church militant. The Church bestows to the worthy as an exercise of her authority.

What indulgences are NOT:

• A permission to sin, or a pardon for future sin.
• Remove guilt of sin nor remove sin itself - those granted indulgences are presumed to have made a contrite confession before receiving the indulgence.
• Exempt anybody from the law or their duty and obligations of any kind, especially those related to restitution
• Does not protection from temptations
• It is not a purchased pardon or release from purgatory for the individual or another.

[Cf. Kent, W. (1910). Indulgences. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Retrieved May 26, 2023 from New Advent: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07783a.htm]

JoeT

No other denomination teaches the purgatory doctrine and the buying of indulgences. This is only from the rcc. And there is NO concept of either in Scripture.

 

[A new day]

Where in Scripture does it say you have the authority to forgive yourself by recital of "I believe"?

This post exhibits a complete ignorance of what indulgences, the authority of the Church to dispense such indulgences and the effect of indulgences.

JoeT

The poster knows completely of what its all about... for the individual is an ex-rc.

 

[Blessings8]

That's right, a propaganda hit piece. But, lets pour cool water of truth over the protester finding himself in purgatory paying for
the just punishment of attacking the House of God and other sins.

What indulgences are:

“An indulgence is the remission before God of the temporal punishment due for sins already forgiven as far as their guilt is concerned. This remission the faithful with the proper dispositions and under certain determined conditions acquire through the intervention of the Church which, as minister of the Redemption, authoritatively dispenses and applies the treasury of the satisfaction won by Christ and the Saints.” [Norms for Indulgences No. 1]​

An indulgence is the Church having mercy of the sinner. Indulgences come from full treasury of merit from the acts of Christ, martyrs, and saints and given to the Church militant. The Church bestows to the worthy as an exercise of her authority.

What indulgences are NOT:

• A permission to sin, or a pardon for future sin.
• Remove guilt of sin nor remove sin itself - those granted indulgences are presumed to have made a contrite confession before receiving the indulgence.
• Exempt anybody from the law or their duty and obligations of any kind, especially those related to restitution
• Does not protection from temptations
• It is not a purchased pardon or release from purgatory for the individual or another.

[Cf. Kent, W. (1910). Indulgences. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Retrieved May 26, 2023 from New Advent: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07783a.htm]

I think OSAS is

Ending a habitual sin must first begin with the individual's attitude towards it and change his or her mind about it and agree with God in his or her heart that it against Him, that the person is sinning against first and foremost. And then turn from it.

Paul gave an example of what this means

Ephesians 4:28
Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.

No other denomination teaches the purgatory doctrine and the buying of indulgences. This is only from the rcc. And there is NO concept of either in Scripture.

I have never bought an indulgence. You obliviously have no clue what they are.

and trinity isn't in the bible either but you accept it. right?

 

[A new day]

Stopping a habitual sin, does NOT remove the stain from sin or the guilt from it. That remains. NO human can remove the stain of sin and guilt from the heart. Only God can do that. So trying to earn forgiveness by trying to be good enough instead of doing what God has told us to do is fruitless.

 

[A new day]

I have never bought an indulgence. You obliviously have no clue what they are.

and trinity isn't in the bible either but you accept it. right?

Whether you bought one or not, is not the topic of discussion. The concept of the trinity is taught all throughout Scripture.

 

[JoeT]

No other denomination teaches the purgatory doctrine and the buying of indulgences. This is only from the rcc. And there is NO concept of either in Scripture.

That's not true, the Church does not now or did it ever 'sell' indulgences. It's true, only the one true Church with Christ's authority can issue indulgences.

The poster knows completely of what its all about... for the individual is an ex-rc.

He does not know, and if he did know then he should confess and seek an indulgence because there are consequences, spiritually and earthly.

JoeT

 

[Atemi]

It's true, only the one true Church with Christ's authority can issue indulgences.

1. Your Masters are not the Church. They told you they were, didn't they?
2. The Body of Christ never issued anything called "indulgences."
3. There is no such thing as an "indulgence."

 

[A new day]

That's not true, the Church does not now or did it ever 'sell' indulgences. It's true, only the one true Church with Christ's authority can issue indulgences.

He does not know, and if he did know then he should confess and seek an indulgence because there are consequences, spiritually and earthly.

JoeT

The poster doesn't need to seek anything from the rcc. The person's faith is squarely in Jesus alone. The rcc has no power to cleanse anyone's heart of sin and guilt.

John 3:16 - 18
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

No where in Scripture does it even hint in seeking indulgences. It says to seek Jesus and believe in Jesus.

 

[Southsider071]

That's not true, the Church does not now or did it ever 'sell' indulgences. It's true, only the one true Church with Christ's authority can issue indulgences.

He does not know, and if he did know then he should confess and seek an indulgence because there are consequences, spiritually and earthly.

JoeT

The fact that the humongous St. Peter's Mega-Church is standing in Rome tells me that the RCC did sell indulgences and is very effective at it. .

Although, the man who invented and built Rome through his salesmanship skills, Johann Tetzel, doesn't have a single statue or shrine in the city and that's surprising. I would think that the man would have been canonized as a saint and assigned the job of "Patron Saint for Timeshare Salesmen"? After all, what an indulgence, but time off from one's purgatorial sentence so the Catholic could enjoy more time in heaven?