Reformedguy
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I need clarification to be able to answer. Are you capable or not?
Is this regeneration?
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You are dodging
Not only were you already given some clarification, but you have previously argued circumcision of the heart is regeneration.
Reformedguy
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Clarification please. Shall I ask again? Maybe your up to it now.
See, this is what happens lurkers when when you roam the pages of scripture looking for gotcha verses in stead of trying to understand them properly.
You are dodging
Not only were you already given some clarification, but you have previously argued circumcision of the heart is regeneration.
Actually it is faith which places a man in Christ
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
One is not in Christ previous to faith.
Really?
That depends on translation
John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
John 20:31 (ESV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
John 20:31 (NIV) — 31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
John 20:31 (CSB) — 31 But these are written so that you may believe Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and by believing you may have life in His name.
John 20:31 (NET) — 31 But these are recorded so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
So would you agree these translations teach faith causally precedes regeneration
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? - Is this regeneration?
Colossians 2:11 (KJV 1900) — 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: What say ye Calvinists? I say the verse - written by an already-regenerate believer to already-regenerate...
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Reformedguy
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Guess not. Good talk. Keep looking
You are still dodging.
Not only were you already given some clarification, but you have previously argued circumcision of the heart is regeneration.
In any case, there is no reason you cannot employ your own understanding of the circumcision of Christ to answer the question
so you are simply employing a tactical dodge.
Reformedguy
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And you simply refuse to answer a valid question about your alleged proof text.
Rather, you dodge answering a question by asking another question
As was noted
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You are still dodging.
Not only were you already given some clarification, but you have previously argued circumcision of the heart is regeneration.
In any case, there is no reason you cannot employ your own understanding of the circumcision of Christ to answer the question
so you are simply employing a tactical dodge.
Reformedguy
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Clarification is necessary. You can't do it. That's fine. I should have know
You are dodging as you customarily do
- Is this regeneration?
Can you stop dodging by asking questions and then avoiding the answer You previously affirmed circumcision of the heart speaks to regeneration. Now you want to play coy I need clarification to be able to answer. Are you capable or not?
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Reformedguy
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No answer yet? No cut and paste from the Pelagian playbook?
You continue your dodge
- Is this regeneration?
Can you stop dodging by asking questions and then avoiding the answer You previously affirmed circumcision of the heart speaks to regeneration. Now you want to play coy I need clarification to be able to answer. Are you capable or not?
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Not only were you provided with some clarification, but you fail to answer the question using your
own view of what the circumcision of Christ entails.
Is circumcision of the heart regeneration in your view?
You have previously affirmed this, so why so coy now?
Reformedguy
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Some clarification? How about no clarification.
How about you answer a question for a change and stop responding to questions with questions.
Reformedguy
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Your OP has a point to make. You, in all your wisdom, think you have a gotcha moment.
So for the sake of argument let's say circumcision in your proof text is regeneration. Give us your genius punch line.
Fact you had previously affirmed, it was when you needed it to argue for regeneration in the Old Testament.
Does the meaning change with your need?
Colossians 2:11 (ESV) — 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
Did you notice those two words which I bolded?
How does one get in Christ?
Josheb
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This op is about Colossians 2:11 and not John 20:31. The goalposts have been moved and my op-replies ignored. It is not rational for any of us to enjoin discourse with any poster who does either. Get back to Colossians 2:11 and finish that discussion before moving to other verses and other tangents.
Second or third time I've asked.
Josheb
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No, it depends on the Greek. There's no "by" there.
And this SHOULD be a place where you respond immediately and directly with, "Ah, yes, I see you are correct, Josh. I will adjust my thinking and my posting accordingly and in a manner consistent with the manuscript evidence and NOT post canonical doctrines made by men."
But I will bet that is not what happens.
This has become another example among many where information is used selectively and eisegetically to prove already-existing biases. Do not expect me to ignore it or collaborate with it. At best the verse is correlative and not causative. There is no causal "by" there.