How long were the days?

You said that you had no reason to question the unsupported literal word of the Bible, an interpretation that the vast majority of those who call themselves Christian would reject. If you are now prepared to question, acknowledging that landscapes change over time, then that is progress of a sort.
I have no reason to question the uses of Yom and yomim.

But, I just watched a YouTube video of a physicist who claimed to have a solution to time travel.

You're welcome to go talk to him about traveling back to observe these things unfold.
He's at UConn, and his name is Ron Mallet.
 
I have no reason to question the uses of Yom and yomim.

But, I just watched a YouTube video of a physicist who claimed to have a solution to time travel.

You're welcome to go talk to him about traveling back to observe these things unfold.
He's at UConn, and his name is Ron Mallet.
I have no interest in time travel. Science is able to allow us to see into the past and into the future. Looking for a past that isn't there is foolish, and ends with standing on outcrops of rock and declaring them to be Noah's Ark.
 
I have no interest in time travel.
Pity. It'll be interesting if they ever succeed and prevent its abuse.
Science is able to allow us to see into the past and into the future.
future... really. Now I know you're full of it.
ok.
tell me what I'll be doing at 10 pm pdt.


As for the past, only if it's documented, or extensive resources exist.

But, OK.
April 30, 4550 BCE.
At 10 am.
Tell me, about society in the Congo, Africa.
If science is so great, this should be a breeze for you.
Then, also tell me what was happening in Riyadh, May 31st, 3566, BCE.
And don't forget to provide the documents, and evidence so I can corroborate it for myself

Looking for a past that isn't there is foolish, and ends with standing on outcrops of rock and declaring them to be Noah's Ark.
Really? I thought you said science knows everything.
 
Pity. It'll be interesting if they ever succeed and prevent its abuse.

future... really. Now I know you're full of it.
ok.
tell me what I'll be doing at 10 pm pdt.
I know that within a hundred years you will be dead and that eventually the sun will swell, engulf the earth and become a red giant.
As for the past, only if it's documented, or extensive resources exist.

But, OK.
April 30, 4550 BCE.
At 10 am.
Tell me, about society in the Congo, Africa.
Nomadic cattle pastoralists, gradually heading south and west as this is the last century or so of the green Sahara.
If science is so great, this should be a breeze for you.
Then, also tell me what was happening in Riyadh, May 31st, 3566, BCE.
Nothing, since Riyadh didn't exist at this time. The Ubaid civilisation with its distinctive pottery was evident throughout Saudi Arabia and had trading posts on the Persian Gulf, but Riyadh itself did not exist by that name until 1590 CE, a small oasis town, better known once Deham Ibn Dawwas, took over the city and built walls in 1790.
And don't forget to provide the documents, and evidence so I can corroborate it for myself
Look it up. If nothing else these days, we are blessed with easy access to the accumulated knowledge of our species.
Really? I thought you said science knows everything.
Really? Can you quote me? Science will never know everything. It knows a lot. What it knows is refined and becomes more certain. Eventually it may know enough, but it will never know everything.
 
I know that within a hundred years you will be dead and that eventually the sun will swell, engulf the earth and become a red giant.
Within a hundred?
Try 25! More likely 20.
Nomadic cattle pastoralists, gradually heading south and west as this is the last century or so of the green Sahara.
Pity. You've got to do better than this.
Nothing, since Riyadh didn't exist at this time.
how would you know?
I'll agree that the Riyadh of today's world didn't exist, but you have no idea if there wasn't an earlier version of it that existed.
The Ubaid civilisation with its distinctive pottery was evident throughout Saudi Arabia and had trading posts on the Persian Gulf, but Riyadh itself did not exist by that name until 1590 CE, a small oasis town, better known once Deham Ibn Dawwas, took over the city and built walls in 1790.
yeah, i said nothing of the ubaid civilization.
i was talking about the people who existed in 4560 bce.
Look it up. If nothing else these days, we are blessed with easy access to the accumulated knowledge of our species.
Pity you think lying about what's available is going to help you.

At least the scientific community is honest enough to use phrases like
Largely unknown, probably, still hold many secrets...
I.e., science is clueless.

Really? Can you quote me? Science will never know everything. It knows a lot.
apparently nowhere near as much as you want them to.

What it knows is refined and becomes more certain. Eventually it may know enough, but it will never know everything.
It's a great thing that YHVH actually knows everything.
 
Within a hundred?
Try 25! More likely 20.
Which is within a hundred. I can only work on the data available to me, which would suggest that you are no younger than four years old.
Pity. You've got to do better than this.
Why? Who's judging and against what criteria?
how would you know?
I'll agree that the Riyadh of today's world didn't exist, but you have no idea if there wasn't an earlier version of it that existed.
You need to be more precise in your question. There may well have been an oasis settlement on the site, but it wasn't known as Riyadh
yeah, i said nothing of the ubaid civilization.
i was talking about the people who existed in 4560 bce.
That would be the Ubaid people then. They were the society in that area from 5500BCE to 4000BCE.
Pity you think lying about what's available is going to help you.
Pity that you think that accusing others of lying is all you can come up with.
At least the scientific community is honest enough to use phrases like
Largely unknown, probably, still hold many secrets...
I.e., science is clueless.
Someone who thinks that small pieces of highly specialised information being largely unknown means that "science is clueless", is themselves clueless.
apparently nowhere near as much as you want them to.
But rather more than you want them to. The difference between us is that I want science to know more, while you want it to know less, and refuse to acknowledge what it does know. As evidenced by puerile remarks such as "science is clueless"
 
Generally speaking, I'd agree with that.
however, we're talking about an ancient past which we have only documented history for.
none of these scientific disciplines existed back then.
in my work i deal with maps.
i can see aerial maps of the state i live in, and it's pretty clear that here, we had extensive flooding and water basins which were under large areas of water at some point in our past.
our history describes how we once had a huge inland sea, known as lahontan.
I've read that there are huge swaths of land which were once large (i mean humongous) seas, which are presently deserts, and sandy basins.


Just because it's easy to question doesn't mean it's not true.

It simply means that we haven't fully uncovered what's been buried for millennia yet.
@SteveB I very much agree with your approach to arriving at conclusions. I am one of those who look at the Genesis one and two days as long periods of time, because there's quite a bit of data in the Bible that suggests to me that the inference we might draw from the English translation about short days was not intended in the original language. At this moment I'm thinking of Hebrews 4:1-13. By my reading it suggests that we are living in God's seventh day of rest from the work of creation, and further that this singular seventh day is the only day on which redemption is available to mankind. If my interpretation of this passage is correct, then the only reason that we can be saved is because those days mentioned in genesis are very long, and not short. The language associated with the first days "morning and evening" does not appear in the seventh day (Genesis 2:1–2) suggesting (at least to me) that the seventh day had a beginning but it didn't end, at least yet. Under this view the eighth day will be the re-creation of the universe when Christ returns to make a suitable place to receive the redeemed (Romans 8:18–27). Thus this eighth day will represent a new creation week in which the redeemed will participate, or at least benefit, as administrators of the new creation ( Luke 19:17).
 
Exo 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

The context for "day(s)" in this passage indicates a regular 24 hour day or period. Trying to assign something other than the context here is fruitless. I've debated this many times with some of my college professors decades ago. People are going to rationalize and reason one way or the other. I say fine, believe what you will whether that is belief any of the many theories of cosmology and beginnings or that the God of the Bible created in 24 hour periods.
 
Exo 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

The context for "day(s)" in this passage indicates a regular 24 hour day or period. Trying to assign something other than the context here is fruitless. I've debated this many times with some of my college professors decades ago. People are going to rationalize and reason one way or the other. I say fine, believe what you will whether that is belief any of the many theories of cosmology and beginnings or that the God of the Bible created in 24 hour periods.

You are YEC?

How long is the day in Gn 2:4?
 
Beginning Genesis 2, there begins a dialog, concerning the creation of man and goes into more detail of some events of the sixth day of creation. Concerning "in the day that the Lord God made", context on yom here can translate as "time" or "when" unlike in Genesis 1. I do not think it necessary here to read more into than that. In the day here can just mean a referring back to a past time ... Like in the day of Noah, in the day of whomever.

Concerning Exodus 20:11, are the six days, in context of the passage, 24 hour days?

I don't label myself as a young earth creationist necessarily, but in my understanding, Omnipotent God could certainly, within His power, create ex niholo, in 24 hour periods. I've debated this subject many times and now I'm past my debating days, g. And I come from an education and background in engineering/environmental/chemistry. Now I'm retired and spend most of my times with grandkids and honey do's. As I've said on another thread, people are going to believe what they want to believe. I suppose many of the debates and arguments on the CARM Forum can be sorted out in Heaven. Blessings...
 
Beginning Genesis 2, there begins a dialog, concerning the creation of man and goes into more detail of some events of the sixth day of creation. Concerning "in the day that the Lord God made", context on yom here can translate as "time" or "when" unlike in Genesis 1. I do not think it necessary here to read more into than that. In the day here can just mean a referring back to a past time ... Like in the day of Noah, in the day of whomever.

Yes, yom does have various senses and not just a 24 hr period.


Concerning Exodus 20:11, are the six days, in context of the passage, 24 hour days?

I don't see the length of time being what the context emphasizes. It's the parallel of resting after creation and the application to the literal sabbath.


I don't label myself as a young earth creationist necessarily, but in my understanding, Omnipotent God could certainly, within His power, create ex niholo, in 24 hour periods. I've debated this subject many times and now I'm past my debating days, g. And I come from an education and background in

Of course He can to whatever He wishes. It just seems odd to me that people think He would do that and then make things look older.

Like the red shift and the speed of light, etc.


engineering/environmental/chemistry. Now I'm retired and spend most of my times with grandkids and honey do's. As I've said on another thread, people are going to believe what they want to believe. I suppose many of the debates and arguments on the CARM Forum can be sorted out in Heaven. Blessings...
 
Yes, yom does have various senses and not just a 24 hr period.




I don't see the length of time being what the context emphasizes. It's the parallel of resting after creation and the application to the literal sabbath.




Of course He can to whatever He wishes. It just seems odd to me that people think He would do that and then make things look older.

Like the red shift and the speed of light, etc.
Roger, thanks for the reply back. I can appreciate your response, though we would probably disagree some, g. I would say a mature, not older, g! Just like Adam, once he was created, he was mature and not an infant. Indeed, if you are I were able to step back in time to Adam's creation, we'd swear he was say, 30 to 40 years old when in fact, age wise, he was just seconds old. Fully mature in other words and a mature creation. Thank you for your kind response my friend.
 
Roger, thanks for the reply back. I can appreciate your response, though we would probably disagree some, g. I would say a mature, not older, g! Just like Adam, once he was created, he was mature and not an infant. Indeed, if you are I were able to step back in time to Adam's creation, we'd swear he was say, 30 to 40 years old when in fact, age wise, he was just seconds old. Fully mature in other words and a mature creation. Thank you for your kind response my friend.

I've never heard that before! I don't generally speculate on what Scripture does not make explicit.

It's pretty convincing to me that the word Yom in Genesis is not always 24 hours and so I don't see the need to be dogmatic for the creative days 1-6.

As for God's rest it appears it's not over yet, see Hebrews 4:4-6.
 
One issue that people disagree over is how long the six days of creation were. Some people think they were literal 24 hour days and some think that they were merely long time periods of indefinite length. Which side is correct? Is it even possible that both views are wrong?
Which "Authoritative" version do you hang your hat on??? It's only "Theology", so unimportant.

I'll go with the 24 hour day - after the sun was revealed.
 
I've never heard that before! I don't generally speculate on what Scripture does not make explicit.

It's pretty convincing to me that the word Yom in Genesis is not always 24 hours and so I don't see the need to be dogmatic for the creative days 1-6.

As for God's rest it appears it's not over yet, see Hebrews 4:4-6.
What part have you not heard before? I don't understand from your response what part you are responding about. I don't attest to speculation either and prefer to stick to what the context is and to accurately portray what the writers intent was without tainting it with personal bias.
 
What part have you not heard before? I don't understand from your response what part you are responding about. I don't attest to speculation either and prefer to stick to what the context is and to accurately portray what the writers intent was without tainting it with personal bias.
Never heard the one about Adam.

But from a scriptural perspective I said:

As for God's rest it appears it's not over yet, see Hebrews 4:4-6.

That's clinches it for me. Can you explain how God's rest from Genesis was not over when the book of Hebrews was written if it's a 24 hr day?
 
Okay on Adam. I’ll have a look at the Hebrews passage and how, it at all, it has any relevance on the context of Exodus 20:11.
 
The text is clearly talking about 24 hour days:

Gen 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

One cycle of light and dark equals one day.
 
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