Open Heart
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even christianity doesn't teach that. You can't repent of future sins.
God wanted human sacrifices for atonement of sin?
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Jewjitzu
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Great. So the human nature isn't divine. No sacrifice here.
Nothing in Genesis 18 says God walked on earth.
Great. What evidence do you have that God can add a nature to Himself?
Which means no sacrifice of God occurred.
Sure it is.
No problem, I found his name. So, the guy is a Conservative Jew. Is this argument from authority supposed to impress me? It doesn't.
Yep.
DoctrinesofGraceBapt
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Jesus' human nature still died; so, there was a sacrifice.
Not in those words. How about you read the passage? Three men met with Abraham, and Moses went out of his way for the next two chapters to call one of these men YHWH over and over again.
Genesis 18 and 19. Why don't you read it and deal with what Moses wrote? BTW, there are other passages, but let's just stick with the primary one.
We never claimed there was a sacrifice of God. Stop assuming things we don't say. One who was God took on flesh and died as a man.
Vacuous claims should be ignored. You are the one making the accusation; therefore, you are the one who needs to show some contradiction. It may not fit within your theological framework, but that's not the standard for a contradiction. You need to show were I said A and ~A in the say way, kind and time. That didn't happen; so, no contradiction.
Not an argument from authority. I was simply pointing out that the position your presenting isn't even universally recognized among Jews. He wrote a whole book on the subject of God taking on physical form in the tanakh. It might be a good read for one arguing like you are arguing.
God Bless
Open Heart
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The human messenger speaks on behalf of God. He is not God. Notice the Abraham never calls him El Shaddai or Yhwh.
sk0rpi0n
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An isolated verse (that too from Paul) cannot take precedence over the many verses that teach Jesus was not God.
Jesus' own disciple John writes "no one has seen God" (1John 4:12). So clearly, John did not regard Jesus as God.
Then we have Peter who calls Jesus a "Rabbi" (Mark 9:5). It's silly to think Peter addressed his God as "Rabbi".
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sk0rpi0n
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Are you talking about this verse:
The Lord appeared to Abraham near the large trees of Mamre. Abraham was sitting at the entrance to his tent. It was the hottest time of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. So he quickly left the entrance to his tent to greet them. He bowed low to the ground. (Genesis 18:1-2)
There's nothing in that passage that says God was among the three men. It's saying God appeared to Abraham (perhaps like the fire that Moses saw) and at the same time the three men (angels) showed up. God was not one among them.
Some might say that Abraham bowing low to the ground before the 3 men proves that God was among them. But Abraham was just honoring the angels, in the same way as Lot did.
The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening. Lot was sitting near the gate of the city. When Lot saw the angels, he got up to greet them. He bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please come to my house. You can wash your feet and spend the night there. Then you can go on your way early in the morning.” (Genesis 19:1-2)
DoctrinesofGraceBapt
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Interesting excuse. It doesn't work, but when one is desperate, they will throw out anything.
God Bless
DoctrinesofGraceBapt
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Do you really think this kind of argumentation is meaningful? If you bothered to read Phil 2:5-8 carefully, you would realize that Paul is claiming Jesus has two natures. One divine; one not. Therefore, Jesus is God, and Jesus is not God in different ways. But let's just ignore this and go with either or for no reason whatsoever.
Look at these verses too—Genesis 18:10, 13, 17, 20, 22, 26; 19:24.
God Bless
Open Heart
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LOL It can be wearying to continually post obvious at face value answers, and then receive a personal attack in reply.
CharismaticLady
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Why were the commandments needed?
CharismaticLady
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OH, can you repeat this post of yours and elaborate? I don't know which part Christianity doesn't teach, and don't understand your second sentence, unless you are just making a statement.
DoctrinesofGraceBapt
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That "human messenger" is called YHWH like eight times in Genesis 18 while the other two messengers are never recognized as such. You need to take what Moses wrote at face value as opposed to imposing your theological framework onto the text to determine what it can be teaching.
God Bless
American Gothic
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surely God only created us to live an Eternity
of vigorous and ever constant flesh management...
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Jewjitzu
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That's a great question. Why was Adam given the first commandment?
American Gothic
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to give Adam and Eve a choice between God continuing to do a creative work in them
or
with some knowledge of Good and Evil, them trying to do it themselves
or
with some knowledge of Good and Evil, them trying to do it themselves
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Jewjitzu
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It wouldn't have been that bad in Eden.
American Gothic
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are you saying it's bad now
Jewjitzu
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No, I'm saying living physical eternal there would have been great.are you saying it's bad now
American Gothic
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and maybe the Commandments will get you There again???
Jewjitzu
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Isn't the tree of life mentioned in Revelation 22? And those that have the right to eat of it are those that keep the commandments?