Original Sin...

In this quote from MacArthur, he establishes proof of salvation in good works.


Nothing is more important than this. Nothing is more important than salvation. Nothing is more important than eternal life. Nothing is more important than heaven. How do you know? In this word picture, we have everything we need to know.

We’re thankful, aren’t we, that we know that we are fruit-bearing branches. If you don’t know that, you’re in a very dangerous situation. Take warning from this passage. Come truthfully to Christ, genuinely to Him.
 
How does 2 isolated sins = habitual sinning ?

did David commit adultery and murder on a regular basis ?

any more fallacious arguments?

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"Isolated sins"? What was "isolated" about it. The entire kingdom knew about it. So did the enemies of God. David went a very long time without confessing. In fact, it took a Divine action of God to cause David to surrender. If God hadn't have taken action, David wouldn't have been any different.

That isn't what you teach.

BTW the way. There isn't any telling how many women David bedded in his life as King. You do realize that just because you're "king" doesn't make it right?

Remember what Jesus said about looking at women to lust after her? When did David stop doing that?

I dare say you're not above the problem yourself.
 
Wrong good works/ fruit is evidence , proof of one’s salvation . Faith without works is dead . You are misrepresenting him . I’m no Calvinist anymore but you are misrepresenting MacArthur on this topic . I have all his books on them too. I know what he believes and what he teaches on Lordship and obedience .

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Jesus knows who are His
we might not know

According to Arminians and MacArthur, you can know.

They are just too afraid to commit enough to their mistaken doctrines to follow through on their claims.

They know they're wrong. They just refuse to admit it. If they claim they know what good works are then they should MAN ENOUGH to pick the winners and losers. They're not.
 
Wrong good works/ fruit is evidence , proof of one’s salvation . Faith without works is dead . You are misrepresenting him . I’m no Calvinist anymore but you are misrepresenting MacArthur on this topic . I have all his books on them too. I know what he believes and what he teaches on Lordship and obedience .

Yep. More witness to the fact you followed him into Arminianism.
 
He is not an Arminian but a staunch 5,point hard nosed Calvinist . You are making false accusations against MacArthur .

I quoted his words. I'm not loyal to MacArthur. You are. You show it in your responses. Sproul tried to get along with him but they were vastly different.
 
They were best friends . Partners in ministry for decades

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Yeah. Like you were friends with Calvinists too.......

We make strange "bed fellows" at times. We all do. We are sinful men all in need of correction. You haven't arrived yet. You'll change again.

Contrary to what you think, I love you brother. God will straighten us out sooner or later.
 
Speak for yourself . I see you still don’t know the difference between judgment and discernment.

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Yeah. Like you were friends with Calvinists too.......

We make strange "bed fellows" at times. We all do. We are sinful men all in need of correction. You haven't arrived yet. You'll change again.

Contrary to what you think, I love you brother. God will straighten us out sooner or later.
Best friends listen to the eulogy from John to RC

 
And with that ends all discussions of them not being the very best of friends.

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Best friends listen to the eulogy from John to RC


How does that change anything I said. They got along. They were friends. Their beliefs were not compatible with one another.

See how the love of God makes a difference? I told you, I don't condemn you. You're the one condemning. You've basically rejected any possibility of us being brothers in Jesus Christ.

Yeah. I know... discernment vs judgment. Gobbledygook.
 
And with that ends all discussions of them not being the very best of friends.

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Strawman. Friends tolerate one another. You've forgotten what friendship means. Friendship means I can tell you're crazy and we fight it out till we can't change each others minds anymore. Then we hug and let Jesus fix what we can't.

That is what a true friend is.
 
How does that change anything I said. They got along. They were friends. Their beliefs were not compatible with one another.

See how the love of God makes a difference? I told you, I don't condemn you. You're the one condemning. You've basically rejected any possibility of us being brothers in Jesus Christ.

Yeah. I know... discernment vs judgment. Gobbledygook.
More false accusations. They were on the same team theologically and participated in every Ligonier conference together . They were teammates , kindred spirit - Reformed Theologians / scholars .

And I’m done with your nonsense about them as you have no idea what you are taking about . I have all of their books and have watched every Ligoneer conference with them .

Why no Calvinists are not calling you out on this is beyond me but the ones in the know , know I’m 100% correct on this issue .
 
More false accusations. They were on the same team theologically and participated in every Ligonier conference together . They were teammates , kindred spirit - Reformed Theologians / scholars .

And I’m done with your nonsense about them as you have no idea what you are taking about . I have all of their books and have watched every Ligoneer conference with them .

Why no Calvinists are not calling you out on this is beyond me but the ones in the know , know I’m 100% correct on this issue .

Is that why you attacked Sproul about his view on the Atonement?

News flash. Not all Calvinists agree. Dispensationalism isn't compatible with Calvinism. If you actually listened to the video you claim "you know"... then you would notice how MacArthur referenced how he was treated among Calvinists. Sproul treated him differently than many other Calvinists.

Oh yeah.... YOU KNOW....
 
Is that why you attacked Sproul about his view on the Atonement?

News flash. Not all Calvinists agree. Dispensationalism isn't compatible with Calvinism. If you actually listened to the video you claim "you know"... then you would notice how MacArthur referenced how he was treated among Calvinists. Sproul treated him differently than many other Calvinists.

Oh yeah.... YOU KNOW....
They both believe in PSA . I don’t .

next fallacy ,
 
Tom doesn't "refute" Perseverance.

MacArthur's position is very close to Arminianism when it comes to his "Lordship" nonsense.
What does it mean to call upon the Lord for salvation ? Romans 10:9-13

The doctrine of lordship salvation teaches that submitting to Christ as Lord goes hand-in-hand with trusting in Christ as Savior. Lordship salvation is the opposite of what is sometimes called easy-believism or the teaching that salvation comes through an acknowledgement of a certain set of facts.

John MacArthur, whose book The Gospel According to Jesus lays out the case for lordship salvation, summarizes the teaching this way: “The gospel call to faith presupposes that sinners must repent of their sin and yield to Christ’s authority.” In other words, a sinner who refuses to repent is not saved, for he cannot cling to his sin and the Savior at the same time. And a sinner who rejects Christ’s authority in his life does not have saving faith, for true faith encompasses a surrender to God. Thus, the gospel requires more than making an intellectual decision or mouthing a prayer; the gospel message is a call to discipleship. The sheep will follow their Shepherd in submissive obedience.

Advocates of lordship salvation point to Jesus’ repeated warnings to the religious hypocrites of His day as proof that simply agreeing to spiritual facts does not save a person. There must be a heart change. Jesus emphasized the high cost of discipleship: “Whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:27), and “Those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples” (verse 33). In the same passage, Jesus speaks of counting the cost; elsewhere, He stresses total commitment: “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God” (Luke 9:62).

In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus says that eternal life is a narrow path found by “only a few” (Matthew 7:14); in contrast, easy-believism seeks to broaden the path so that anyone who has a profession of faith can enter. Jesus says that “every good tree bears good fruit” (verse 17); in contrast, easy-believism says that a tree can still be good and bear nothing but bad fruit. Jesus says that many who say “Lord, Lord” will not enter the kingdom (verses 21–23); in contrast, easy-believism teaches that saying “Lord, Lord” is good enough.

Lordship salvation teaches that a true profession of faith will be backed up by evidence of faith. If a person is truly following the Lord, then he or she will obey the Lord’s instructions. A person who is living in willful, unrepentant sin has obviously not chosen to follow Christ, because Christ calls us out of sin and into righteousness. Indeed, the Bible clearly teaches that faith in Christ will result in a changed life (2 Corinthians 5:17; Galatians 5:22–23; James 2:14–26).

Lordship salvation is not a salvation-by-works doctrine. Advocates of lordship salvation are careful to say that salvation is by grace alone, that believers are saved before their faith ever produces any good works, and that Christians can and do sin. However, true salvation will inevitably lead to a changed life. The saved will be dedicated to their Savior. A true Christian will not feel comfortable living in unconfessed, unforsaken sin.

Here are nine teachings that set lordship salvation apart from easy-believism:got?

Hope this helps !!!

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