Census: Less than half of England and Wales population identifies as Christian

[glenlogie]

Don't you think that things you consider bad, should go away?

Your passive aggressiveness is showing.

 

[Temujin]

All well and good. But then what say you about the other side that is literally forcing their choices, through legislation on society as normal, forced acceptance, irrespective of our own understanding, and we must accept these lifestyle choices and if we differ and express our opinions our words now become "hate speech"? And yet, yet, people can call for the elimination of our faith because they believe it's bad and that's ok.

Legislation is a different matter. Everyone has a vote. Including you. What you don't have is a veto. Imagine someone who thinks that human sacrifice is a lifestyle choice. He too will be aggrieved at woke culture passing laws preventing him exercising his free will. You may not realise or accept this, but a great many people find the way that a small minority of Christians treats homosexuals or trans people as deeply offensive and dangerous. If they are prepared to go pass laws preventing it, tough. It is just an indication to you that you are profoundly out of step with the majority view. That may not bother you, but that doesn't make the laws against offensive and dangerous behaviour go away.

 

[Lastdaysbeliever]

Don't you think that things you consider bad, should go away?

I am a realist and realize people are going to do think, act and do as they please. Irrespective of the consequences. Like you. You think religion is bad and should go away. That's hubris all day long.

 

[Eightcrackers]

I am a realist and realize people are going to do think, act and do as they please. Irrespective of the consequences.

But you would prefer that they didn't, yes?

 

[wiseones2cents]

Since government property is owned by all, there should be no religious symbols - or symbols that denounce religion, if there are such things.

That is YOUR opinion. A Minority. Most Americans(lets say)are Christian! And I'd assume when this secular push started was even more Christian than today. If the MAJORITY wanted religious symbols, that would be tough luck for the minority!

The only way to treat all religions equally is not to mention any of them.

Obviously the reasoning of an atheist(YOU)

Christians can do anything they want on - or to - their own property.

Want a huge cross on your lawn? Go for it.
Want a huge cross on my lawn? Tough cheddar.

If government property is "owned by all" and the majority of the public is Christian, it's their property. They are the major shareholders!

At least the Muslim countries are resisting secularization(at least for now). And because of it, their numbers continue to grow. Christianity has been somewhat subdued and its numbers are shrinking!

 

[Lastdaysbeliever]

Legislation is a different matter.

Legislation is not always passed by a vote. Sometimes it is done by EO and other means.

Everyone has a vote.

Not every one.

Including you.

I do.

What you don't have is a veto. .

And that matters in this discussion how?

Imagine someone who thinks that human sacrifice is a lifestyle choice.

We have abortion so there is that...

He too will be aggrieved at woke culture passing laws preventing him exercising his free will

We see the woke culture, liberals and democrats aggrieved daily because some of us choose life.

You may not realise or accept this, but a great many people find the way that a small minority of Christians treats homosexuals or trans people as deeply offensive and dangerous.

I have my opinion why "many people" find Christian values as offensive and even dangerous, which is and of itself offensive and dangerous.

If they are prepared to go pass laws preventing it, tough. It is just an indication to you that you are profoundly out of step with the majority view. That may not bother you, but that doesn't make the laws against offensive and dangerous behaviour go away.

Abridgement of thought is what is pursued by those who you write of. Thought police. It's truly authoritarianism in ascent.

 

[Lastdaysbeliever]

But you would prefer that they didn't, yes?

Did you not read my comment? You did, of course, you just don't like it.

 

[Eightcrackers]

That is YOUR opinion. A Minority. Most Americans(lets say)are Christian!

The Constitution is a bulwark against mob rule.

If the MAJORITY wanted religious symbols, that would be tough luck for the minority!

But for that pesky Constitution, yeah.

If government property is "owned by all" and the majority of the public is Christian, it's their property. They are the major shareholders!

No such thing, because of... the Constitution.

If the majority wants a law that's not Constitutional, they can pound sand - it ain't happening.

At least the Muslim countries are resisting secularization(at least for now). And because of it, their numbers continue to grow. Christianity has been somewhat subdued and its numbers are shrinking!

You people are obsessed with numbers.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Then you are a duck. What you are not is a sane commentator on history, economics, politics or indeed anything else.

Again your opinion. How convenient for you to deny history. Do you deny all the wars your country has waged to stomp out uprisings worldwide during it's empirical days?

 

[wiseones2cents]

Laws are laws. You don't get to decide not to abide by them just because you are prejudiced against the law makers. You have a vote use it. You aren't entitled to anything else. There's nothing special about you.

So if we make a law banning homosexuality, you'd support it correct?

 

[wiseones2cents]

The Constitution is a bulwark against mob rule.

And that is where the first deceit began. Imposed by a group of minority. Who wanted to control the majority.

But for that pesky Constitution, yeah.

No such thing, because of... the Constitution.

If the majority wants a law that's not Constitutional, they can pound sand - it ain't happening.

What would you do if the Majority stand up? You know the rights of the minority only work if the MAJORITY allows it. Or do you think the elites and their goons can suppress the majority if they rose up?

You people are obsessed with numbers.

True numbers dont lie and tell the real story.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Nope. It's a democracy, where those voted into power call the shots.

So if a lets say Christian was voted in. He could ban homosexuality?

There is nothing democratic about your elections. Its all smoke and mirrors.

 

[Eightcrackers]

What would you do if the Majority stand up? You know the rights of the minority only work if the MAJORITY allows it. Or do you think the elites and their goons can suppress the majority if they rose up?

What do you think Christians "standing up" to the Constitution would look like, exactly?

 

[Eightcrackers]

So if a lets say Christian was voted in. He could ban homosexuality?

As President? No.

A President can only issue executive orders, and those only pertain to the operations of the federal government.

 

[wiseones2cents]

What do you think Christians "standing up" to the Constitution would look like, exactly?

Like the public demanding an amendment? I would hope it would look like Ghandi's movement(Who was inspired by Jesus). Non violent disobedience to start. Mass boycotts, strikes, and avoid paying taxes.

 

[wiseones2cents]

As President? No.

A President can only issue executive orders, and those only pertain to the operations of the federal government.

Debatable but what about Senators and Governors? Can they lets say make abortion illegal?

 

[Eightcrackers]

Like the public demanding an amendment?

Oh, of course they can demand an Amendment.

Why haven't they already?

I would hope it would look like Ghandi's movement(Who was inspired by Jesus). Non violent disobedience to start. Mass boycotts, strikes, and avoid paying taxes.

Not how you pursue a desired referendum on Amendment.

 

[Eightcrackers]

Debatable but what about Senators and Governors? Can they lets say make abortion illegal?

Senators can't make laws on their own, and governors can only veto potential laws.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Oh, of course they can demand an Amendment.

Why haven't they already?

They are deceived and subdued by deceitful leaders.

Not how you pursue a desired referendum on Amendment.

It will be effective. I promise you.

 

[wiseones2cents]

Senators can't make laws on their own, and governors can only veto potential laws.

How did they make abortions illegal in America?