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From the same point of view I couldn't be a heretic either because I'm a Protestant. My definition of heretic is not necessarily somebody who just agrees with the Roman Catholic Church. Heresy is defined by how wrong it is, not by the group that actually promulgates the Heresy. So the...

If we are referring to the church of Jesus Christ then I want it from the mouth of Jesus, not from the mouth of the Pope or his church. That is a reasonable request. But of course you must take into consideration the fact that people can follow Jesus and they don't need the pope, and when that...

I cannot prove something is in the bible if it's not there because what's not there cannot be produced . You have to tell me where the Bible says that the Roman Catholic Church is the true church. That's the passage or verse I'm looking for. That's not to say that Jesus didn't establish a church.

The real problem is that you are satisfied with the Pope's own evidence for himself.

But you are perfectly entitled to clarify a heresy if you wish. Perhaps by Clarifying it you might see how grossly heretical it really is.

What I'm saying to you is that your church is heretical because it believes in the doctrine of the immaculate conception and that is a Heresy.

In other words, you're saying that are a heretic is a person who contradicts the doctrine of your church. But that is only a claim that your church told you, but it is not proof that your church is not heretical. You are back to circular reasoning, because saying a heretic is someone who...

What are you really asking me to prove?The pope is not infallible because Mary was not immaculately conceived. The reason why I ask you that is because you can't have one without the other. Because the only reason why Roman Catholics believe that Mary is the immaculate conception is because...

Of course it is clear that you believe that the Pope is infallible only because you believe the Pope, you can talk about why I understand those doctrines to be heresies, but can you tell me why the immaculate conception of Mary is true doctrine,? The burden of proof does not lie with me...

You have to answer the same question when you call the Protestants heretics.

You know that the pope is the head of a church and not just a head of state, so he is not the same as your regular head of state, because he's making a pile of false claims about himself that normal politicians don't make.

The Catholic church teaches Heresy because papal infallibility is heresy, the immaculate conception of Mary the mother of Jesus is heresy, the Assumption of Mary is Heresy, praying to the dead is heresy. You are like the pope. You're just trying to make things true because you say so.

But you are automatically supposing that he is the Vicar of Christ, in other words you believe his false claims. Taking something for granted will never make it true and believing something false will never make it true. And of course claiming to be the Vicar of Christ is not political because...

Exactly. The Pope expects us to take him on his own merits, but those merits were decided long after Jesus died, was resurrected and ascended, and they simply transfer those lies back to the time of Jesus and the apostles to try and make it look the same. Papal infallibility in 1870. Can you...

If you think that Jesus would protect his church from error how come your curch teaches Heresy? No point in using circular reasoning as if we have to take the doctrines of your church for granted. To coin a phrase, you are putting the cart before the horse asking us to take it for granted that...

What you say here is irrelevant unless you can show that the Roman Catholic church is the church of Jesus, so don't ask us to take too much for granted before you make any claims. I cannot find any scriptures which show that the Roman Catholic church is the church of Jesus. The only ostensible...

So do you think claiming to be the Vicar of Christ is political? And do you think claiming to be infallible is political? And do you think that both of those claims are not lies anyway??

Exactly, because if everyone else can lie so can the Pope, so I'm not generalizing. I am describing a normal and natural human attribute, to which all human beings are susceptible. You are the one who is generalizing because you include everyone except the Roman Catholic Church.

Of course your question is not really valid because the Holy Spirit doesn't speak to the Pope anyway, so the question is redundant. There are people who have no connection with religion at all who are totally disgusted with some of the things that the Roman Catholic hierarchy has engaged in...

There are some things that you can do without Consulting the Holy Spirit. The Pope and no one else needs to consult the Holy Spirit to know that the things that they have been doing in the Roman Catholic hierarchy are wrong. This is how you can know how Roman Catholics sacrifice their...