Calvinism, The Only View That Can Consistently Justify The Omni-Attributes of God With Scripture and Logic!

[Manfred]

No, i mentioned you

It's the same way you address everyone.
You call everyone clueless, and then claim all have the same revelation.
You are nothing but a troll.

and you prove you do not understand what a sufficient cause is when you stated



A would not be a sufficient cause of B then

Unless it is.

A rifle is the sufficient cause of some murders, as it is used efficiently by those who use it to commit murder. It is not the efficient cause of all murders.
Without rifles, there would be no murders by rifle.

But again, only Tom has the real understanding ("as he keeps arguing that the tree in the garden was not the sufficient cause of Eve's sin)

If the tree was not placed in the garden by God, it would have been impossible for Adam and Eve to sin by eating of the tree.

Stop trolling.

 

[fltom]

It's the same way you address everyone.
You call everyone clueless, and then claim all have the same revelation.
You are nothing but a troll.

Nope only when it fits

You just can't handle being told the truth

Unless it is.

A rifle is the sufficient cause of some murders, as it is used efficiently by those who use it to commit murder. It is not the efficient cause of all murders.
Without rifles, there would be no murders by rifle.

But again, only Tom has the real understanding ("as he keeps arguing that the tree in the garden was not the sufficient cause of Eve's sin)

If the tree was not placed in the garden by God, it would have been impossible for Adam and Eve to sin by eating of the tree.

Stop trolling.

Sorry no

A rifle is not a sufficient cause of murder

It needs a person to aim and pull the trigger.

You can cover your lack of understanding by calling me a troll.

 

[fltom]

Tom believes only he knows what things mean. All others are ignorant.

Stop trolling.

If you did not have A you could not have B.
If you have A, B is not necessitated. So you will NOT always have B.

Nope, only to those whom it fits

That is not the definition of a sufficient cause

A sufficient cause says if you have A, then you must have B

 

[Manfred]

Nope only when it fits

You just can't handle being told the truth





Sorry no

A rifle is not a sufficient cause of murder

It needs a person to aim and pull the trigger.

You can cover your lack of understanding by calling me a troll.

Right Tom?

The person pulling the trigger is the efficient cause not the sufficient cause. The rifle is the sufficient cause used by the person pulling the trigger.

Troll

 

[Manfred]

Nope, only to those whom it fits

That is not the definition of a sufficient cause

A sufficient cause says if you have A, then you must have B

So? You have A, the tree planted by God.
You have B, Adam and Eve eating the fruit from it.

 

[fltom]

Right Tom?

The person pulling the trigger is the efficient cause not the sufficient cause. The rifle is the sufficient cause used by the person pulling the trigger.

Troll

sorry a riffle of itself is not a sufficient cause of murder

Many people own firearms, including rifles.

I can assure that the riffles of many did not cause murder.

 

[Manfred]

sorry a riffle of itself is not a sufficient cause of murder

Many people own firearms, including rifles.

I can assure that the riffles of many did not cause murder.

I already said that it is the guy pulling the trigger.
Without a rifle, he could not pull the trigger.

You know this of course, but being Tom, you cannot even concede to the logic.
That is why you are identified as a Troll.

 

[fltom]

I already said that it is the guy pulling the trigger.
Without a rifle, he could not pull the trigger.

You know this of course, but being Tom, you cannot even concede to the logic.
That is why you are identified as a Troll.

So what

you are not dealing with the meaning of a sufficient cause.

Perhaps you are conflating means and cause.

 

[Reformedguy]

You ignore foreknowledge

Acts 2:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

What's a determinate council of God?

 

[fltom]

What's a determinate council of God?

What is foreknowledge?

God knowing what they would do given the opportunity determined to bring about the opportunity.

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[Reformedguy]

What is foreknowledge?

God knowing what they would do given the opportunity determined to bring about the opportunity.

i

See folks. In Provisionism foreknowledge is determinitive. It's all based on God knowing what they would do.

 

[fltom]

See folks. In Provisionism foreknowledge is determinitive. It's all based on God knowing what they would do.

Your confusion continues, revealing you do not know what it means when a person's course of action is determined.

 

[Reformedguy]

Your confusion continues, revealing you do not know what it means when a person's course of action is determined.

Sure I do. I have read Acts 4:27,28. Their actions were determined, yet free.

 

[fltom]

Sure I do. I have read Acts 4:27,28. Their actions were determined, yet free.

Sorry, you still do not understand the difference between certainty and necessity

The opportunity to kill Christ was determined

The act of killing was not but was foreknown

 

[Reformedguy]

Sorry, you still do not understand the difference between certainty and necessity

The opportunity to kill Christ was determined

The act of killing was not but was foreknown

Where does it say simply the opportunity to kill Christ was what was determined?

The act of killing was not foreknown? Tom has just denied God's omniscience.

 

[fltom]

Where does it say simply the opportunity to kill Christ was what was determined?

The act of killing was not foreknown? Tom has just denied God's omniscience.

Please learn to read

The opportunity to kill Christ was determined

The act of killing was not but was foreknown

you reversed what was stated