DeSanto
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No, because the death penalty is not an intrinsic evil and can be justifiable.
FBI Warns Against ‘Radical Traditionalist Catholic Ideology’ in Leaked Memo
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Authentic Nouveau
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The wages of sin is death. Do you want wages withheld?
That is not the position of the Catholic Church.
Authentic Nouveau
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You speak for the Catholic Church? None of them ever heard of you in the Vatican.
DeSanto
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Yes it is.
CCC 2266 The efforts of the state to curb the spread of behavior harmful to people’s rights and to the basic rules of civil society correspond to the requirement of safeguarding the common good. Legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict punishment proportionate to the gravity of the offense. Punishment has the primary aim of redressing the disorder introduced by the offense. When it is willingly accepted by the guilty party, it assumes the value of expiation. Punishment then, in addition to defending public order and protecting people’s safety, has a medicinal purpose: as far as possible, it must contribute to the correction of the guilty party.
CCC 2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person. Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm – without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself – the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.”
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If you think I’m wrong, show me where the Church says capital punishment is an intrinsically evil act that is never acceptable under any circumstances and at all times… sinful.
Unlike made up, new-age, hippie dippie, American cults from the 20th Century, like Oneness Pentecostalism, the Catholics actually have a creed that is clearly defined, and can be accessed by anyone.
interesting you would do this much “research” and be so spectacularly wrong.
CCC 2267
On August 2, 2018, the Vatican announced that it had formally changed the official Catechism of the Catholic Church on the death penalty, calling capital punishment “an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person” and deeming it “inadmissible” in all cases. The Catechism—the Catholic On August 2, 2018, the Vatican announced that it had formally changed the official Catechism of the Catholic Church on the death penalty, calling capital punishment “an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person” and deeming it “inadmissible” in all cases. The Catechism—the Catholic Church’s official compilation of teachings on a wide range of issues—was revised to unambiguously oppose capital punishment. The new version of Catechism No. 2267 also committed the Church to work “with determination” to abolish the death penalty worldwide. Prior to the revision, the Catechism had used softer language on the death penalty, permitting it “if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor,” while noting that “the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity ‘are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.’”Church’s official compilation of teachings on a wide range of issues—was revised to unambiguously oppose capital punishment. The new version of Catechism No. 2267 also committed the Church to work “with determination” to abolish the death penalty worldwide. Prior to the revision, the Catechism had used softer language on the death penalty, permitting it “if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor,” while noting that “the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity ‘are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.’”
Authentic Nouveau
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FBI bent out of shape over latin Mass which they don't understand must be terrorists
Can't allow it.
We have a poster that defends Latin only for fetus. Abortion terrorist groups.
DeSanto
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You’re repeating yourself.
FYI: The Vatican lacks authority to change official teachings of the church.
And if you hadn’t noticed, there is serious cause for concern with some of the present “authorities” in Rome. Not because of formal changes in doctrine, but because of informal heresy.
“Knowing that formal change to immutable teachings is impossible they instead bring in an increasing range of “pastoral initiatives” that introduce practices that are contrary to the formal teaching of the church. The dissenters will continue to push and push for this kind of change, and this is why their campaigns are so insidious.
The irony is that very often these same progressives whine and play the victim about how hypocritical the church is for denying mercy to this group or that group of faux victims, while nobody seems able to call their bluff and point out that by constantly undermining church teaching with contrary “pastoral practices” they themselves are hypocrites and heretics of the first order.”
~Longnecker
Thistle
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I'm not Roman Catholic but I very much appreciate defending the fact that the doctrines of the Christian Church are immutable.
Authentic Nouveau
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Who would have predicted the FBI religious crusades?
Right-wingers hate the FBI because they recognized Trump was an idiot.
Authentic Nouveau
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Listening to Biden he express your style of intellectualism.
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