Is anyone else a seer?

[cjab]

I can tolerate it just fine as long as it is truth. This isn't. Let's not resort to ad hominem attacks. What you interpret must be in harmony with the reminder of Scripture.

It is the truth for you said. "There were prophetesses and teachers who would have been able to "speak."

It goes back to the occasion of the exercise of the spiritual gift, and the specific teaching concerning the Ecclesia. The Greeks also had a secular Ecclesia, where women were also not permitted to speak. That doesn't mean to say that they couldn't speak outside it. No-one is saying that women cannot exercise their gifts outside the Ecclesia. You think spiritual gifts are limited to the Ecclesia? The Ecclesia is for edification, spiritual gifts for the common good.

What we have today is the wholesale redaction and reinterpretation of bible along feminist lines, which even translates "brothers" as "brothers and sisters." There are many people today who cannot tolerate this distinction between men and women, because fundamentally they are consumed by communist politics. Their spiritual outlook is entirely subservient to their politics.

Look at the churches that have female ministers today. So many are given over to immorality. First it's female ministers, next it's toleration of immorality. That's the triumph of politics over religion.

You have put yourself in that category, have you not?

 

[Mikey1967]

It is the truth for you said. "There were prophetesses and teachers who would have been able to "speak."

It goes back to the occasion of the exercise of the spiritual gift, and the specific teaching concerning the Ecclesia. The Greeks also had a secular Ecclesia, where women were also not permitted to speak. That doesn't mean to say that they couldn't speak outside it. No-one is saying that women cannot exercise their gifts outside the Ecclesia. You think spiritual gifts are limited to the Ecclesia? The Ecclesia is for edification, spiritual gifts for the common good.

What we have today is the wholesale redaction and reinterpretation of bible along feminist lines, which even translates "brothers" as "brothers and sisters." There are many people today who cannot tolerate this distinction between men and women, because fundamentally they are consumed by communist politics. Their spiritual outlook is entirely subservient to their politics.

Look at the churches that have female ministers today. So many are given over to immorality. First it's female ministers, next it's toleration of immorality. That's the triumph of politics over religion.

You have put yourself in that category, have you not?

Speaking and having authority over men are not the same thing. A woman could teach such as in 1 Tim 2 but not have authority over men such as being a pastor who has authority over all the people. I do not agree with changing Scripture to accommodate the culture. That said, I also do not accept when Scripture is not rightly divided and entire false doctrine is created.

 

[cjab]

Speaking and having authority over men are not the same thing. A woman could teach such as in 1 Tim 2 but not have authority over men such as being a pastor who has authority over all the people. I do not agree with changing Scripture to accommodate the culture. That said, I also do not accept when Scripture is not rightly divided and entire false doctrine is created.

The difference is public versus private. If someone submits to a woman in order to be educated that is acceptable. Such could occur at any educational establishment in respect of any matter.

As I keep on saying, it goes back to the very nature of the Ecclesia. It is not a private educational establishment. It is a meeting of the whole church at the command of God. There can be no 'agreement' to receive instruction from a woman. The order of God is to be observed (1 Cor 11:3). Any woman who speaks in that context is exercising authority over men.

 

[Gary Mac]

I have seen more dangerous, false doctrine in Baptist churches. If you are baptized in the Holy Spirit and walk by the Spirit, the false is easily discerned. Not to mention, we are to weigh all things by Scripture. If it does not line up with Scripture, you are to disregard, walk away, or confront it. You are not to receive it.

All denominations say they line up with scripture from Catholics, Mormons, FLDS, Baptists, COCs, AOGs, Muslims, Jews, you name it.

Actually all of these are of a belief governed by their laws who makes their gods what they would have him be sp they may control their gods to be what they works have him be.

 

[Mikey1967]

All denominations say they line up with scripture from Catholics, Mormons, FLDS, Baptists, COCs, AOGs, Muslims, Jews, you name it.

Actually all of these are of a belief governed by their laws who makes their gods what they would have him be sp they may control their gods to be what they works have him be.

Not so.

The Bible (Sola Scriptura) is considered God's Word. It is the final say for Christians.

Baptist, AOG, Methodist = These are Christian denominations and separated by what they refuse to believe in the Bible.

Jews will only believe the Old Testament of the Bible and still will disregard parts of Isaiah that speak of a suffering Messiah.

Romans Catholicism, Mormon = Are not Christian even though they invoke the name Jesus, they violate the Scriptures.

FLDS and COC is just a branch of Mormonism. Same as above.

Muslim is not Christian at all and are in direct contradiction to the Bible.

 

[Gary Mac]

Not so.

Then just ask any of these belief denominational belief systems if they line up with scripture from Catholics, to Mormons, to FLDS, to penticistals, to Baptists, COCs, AOGs, you name, Just ask them.

But then watch how they argue who is right and who is wrong LOL.

The Bible (Sola Scriptura) is considered God's Word. It is the final say for Christians.

It is considered Gods word by those who has not received from God Himself His word that is not written in ink or on stone but in the hearts and minds of men who has reocvbed him and are His living word.

Baptist, AOG, Methodist = These are Christian denominations and separated by what they refuse to believe in the Bible.

All of them are some 3500 + of them.

Jews will only believe the Old Testament of the Bible and still will disregard parts of Isaiah that speak of a suffering Messiah.

Yes that is their belief system. But if they hade received from God that what Jesus the Jewish Rabbi received from Him in Matt 3:16 they no longer would be of that belief either just as Jesus left them and obeyed God Himself instead.

Romans Catholicism, Mormon = Are not Christian even though they invoke the name Jesus, they violate the Scriptures.

Go and ask them if they are and see your answer.

FLDS and COC is just a branch of Mormonism. Same as above.

Same as Jews, Baptists, Pentecostals, and all denominations, they all have their own beliefs for a god do they not>. You have your own belief for a god.

Jesus however did not have a belief about a God after Matt 3:16 when God Himself came to that man and manifested Himself in that man, just as He does in us all who has received Him. I do not have a belief about God, God Himself manifested Himself in me, He is supposed to be in you as well. But obviously you are of a belief of one of these belief systems.

Muslim is not Christian at all and are in direct contradiction to the Bible.

Catholics, are not Christian, they are Catholics.
Mormons, Are not Christian they are Mormons.
Jews, are not christian they are jews,
Baptists are not christian they are Baptists,
Non denominational's are not Christin they are non denominational's.

And so goes the other 3500 known denominations belief systems.

A Christin is exactly as Jesus was in the Father, anointed of Him, and perfect even as our Father in heaven is perfect, and we walk as He walks ion His same light no different from that what Jesus obeyed and received from God Himself.

If you are any different from who Jesus was in God himself, then you are not christian at all. A Christian is Christ like the God of it and walks in the deity of the Father who is our God.