The Golden Rule by Date

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The Golden rule was said by different sages throughout the history of humans, to include Jewish sages prior to christianity. For example,

Buddhism: “Whatever is disagreeable to yourself, do not do unto others” (The Buddha, Udana-Varga 5.18 – 6th century BC).​

Confucianism: “Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you” (Confucius, Analects 15.23 – 5th century BC).​

Judaism, School of Hillel: That which is hateful to you, do not do unto your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."​

Paul: For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Galatians 5:14). “Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.” (Romans 13:8)​

Canonical Jesus: “And a second [commandment] is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” (Matthew 22:39)​

It begs the question,
Why then is Paul so hated by Jews for abrogating the Mosaic Law to Gentiles when the school of Hillel explicitly stated that the whole Torah is nothing but interpretations of the only rule that matters, ie., “That which is hateful to you, do not do unto your fellow.”

Let’s backup because there is an interesting connection between Paul and Hillel.

For Paul was allegedly taught by the rabbi Gamiliel who was the grandson of Hillel the Elder who founded the House of Hillel in the first century BC. The House of Hillel was opposed by the rabbi Shammai who founded the House of Shammai. The former
was characterized to be more flexible with interpretations of the Mosaic Law, whereas, the latter was more legalistic.

Per wikipedia,

Hillel and Shammai were leaders of two opposing schools of thought, known as the House of Hillel and the House of Shammai. While the terms "liberal" and "conservative" may not perfectly capture the nuances of their positions, Hillel is generally considered to have been more lenient or flexible in his interpretations of Jewish law compared to Shammai. For instance, in matters such as divorce and Sabbath observance, Hillel often took a more permissive approach, emphasizing compassion and practicality. On the other hand, Shammai tended to be more stringent in his interpretations, prioritizing strict adherence to the law.

After Hillel’s death around 9 CE the House of Shammai took absolute control of the Sanhedrin until 30 CE. Even after Gamiliel became president in 30 CE the House of Shammai dominated the Sanhedrin until the fall of Jerusalem.

Why does any of this matter?

Because it suggests that Paul and christianity developed from the more lenient, flexible side of the Pharisees even before traditional christianity started. And it suggests that not all Pharisees opposed christianity except those likely indoctrinated by the house of Shammai.

Why then was Paul so hated by Jews? Theoretically, he was hated by the Jews who sided with the House of Shammai who dominated the Sanhedrin in the first century CE, whereas Paul was favored by the House of Hillel. Acts of the Apostles records that Gamiliel tried to protect Jewish-Christians like Paul from persecution, without success (Acts 5:34).

Simple put, not all Pharisees were bad.
 
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The Golden rule was said by different sages throughout the history of humans, to include Jewish sages prior to christianity. For example,

Buddhism: “Whatever is disagreeable to yourself, do not do unto others” (The Buddha, Udana-Varga 5.18 – 6th century BC).​

Confucianism: “Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you” (Confucius, Analects 15.23 – 5th century BC).​

Judaism, School of Hillel: That which is hateful to you, do not do unto your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."​

Paul: For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Galatians 5:14). “Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.” (Romans 13:8)​

Canonical Jesus: “And a second [commandment] is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” (Matthew 22:39)​

It begs the question,
Why then is Paul so hated by Jews for abrogating the Mosaic Law to Gentiles when the school of Hillel explicitly stated that the whole Torah is nothing but interpretations of the only rule that matters, ie., “That which is hateful to you, do not do unto your fellow.”
What's interesting is that Hillel was confronted by a potential convert with this question, which was to teach him the entire law while standing on one foot. The entire law rests on love - love of God and love of your neighbor.

Paul taught the law was no longer obligatory to Jews and didn't apply to gentiles. You can't know how to love God nor how to understand love of your neighbor without seeing the other laws involved with regards to money, property, family, health, compensation, etc.

Paul abrogated all of these laws and he says Jesus taught him this.

Let’s backup because there is an interesting connection between Paul and Hillel.
There isn't.

For Paul was allegedly taught by the rabbi Gamiliel who was the grandson of Hillel the Elder who founded the House of Hillel in the first century BC. The House of Hillel was opposed by the rabbi Shammai who founded the House of Shammai. The former
was characterized to be more flexible with interpretations of the Mosaic Law, whereas, the latter was more legalistic.
It's very evident Paul wasn't taught by Gamaliel. Hillel followed the written and oral law. Paul followed neither.

Per wikipedia,

Hillel and Shammai were leaders of two opposing schools of thought, known as the House of Hillel and the House of Shammai. While the terms "liberal" and "conservative" may not perfectly capture the nuances of their positions, Hillel is generally considered to have been more lenient or flexible in his interpretations of Jewish law compared to Shammai. For instance, in matters such as divorce and Sabbath observance, Hillel often took a more permissive approach, emphasizing compassion and practicality. On the other hand, Shammai tended to be more stringent in his interpretations, prioritizing strict adherence to the law.

After Hillel’s death around 9 CE the House of Shammai took absolute control of the Sanhedrin until 30 CE. Even after Gamiliel became president in 30 CE the House of Shammai dominated the Sanhedrin until the fall of Jerusalem.

Why does any of this matter?

Because it suggests that Paul and christianity developed from the more lenient, flexible side of the Pharisees even before traditional christianity started. And it suggests that not all Pharisees opposed christianity except those likely indoctrinated by the house of Shammai.

Why then was Paul so hated by Jews? Theoretically, he was hated by the Jews who sided with the House of Shammai who dominated the Sanhedrin in the first century CE, whereas Paul was favored by the House of Hillel. Acts of the Apostles records that Gamiliel tried to protect Jewish-Christians like Paul from persecution, without success (Acts 5:34).
Christianity is all about abrogation which neither the house of Shammai or Hillel where about. Some of the oral law agrees with Shammai.

Simple put, not all Pharisees were bad.
They were preferred by the people at-large.
 
the NT is about New covenant, which has a new law and Melchizedek priesthood
the Mosaic covenant/Law was temporary until Messiah's first appearance
Paul abrogated nothing - he taught what he was taught by Messiah/God

we don't love God if we reject God as God has presented God to be
 
the NT is about New covenant, which has a new law and Melchizedek priesthood
Actually, the new covenant in Jer 31:31-34 doesn't mention a new law nor change in priesthood.

the Mosaic covenant/Law was temporary until Messiah's first appearance
Paul abrogated nothing - he taught what he was taught by Messiah/God
Another false statement, as Jer 33:17-26, shows the Levitical priesthood with the Davidic kingship.

we don't love God if we reject God as God has presented God to be
Then you've rejected God.
 
What's interesting is that Hillel was confronted by a potential convert with this question, which was to teach him the entire law while standing on one foot. The entire law rests on love - love of God and love of your neighbor.
The entire Torah is summed up as, subsumed by the Golden Rule. That is the message. If one knows nothing about the Torah, but he follows the Golden rule then he/she has fulfilled the whole Law. That is the point.

You would have us erroneously believe that one loves God and others by doing every commandment in the Torah, all 613 of them. Nonsense! But what else should we expect from you.

Paul taught the law was no longer obligatory to Jews and didn't apply to gentiles. You can't know how to love God nor how to understand love of your neighbor without seeing the other laws involved with regards to money, property, family, health, compensation, etc.

Paul abrogated all of these laws and he says Jesus taught him this.
Paul abrogated the the outward expression of the Torah as literally commanded, in lieu if its higher meaning, its spiritual meaning, its eternal meaning, something you know nothing about.


How else could Hillel sum up the whole Torah into one simple Golden rule unless the whole Torah was up for interpretation? He was essentially doing the same thing as Paul but did not have the calling or power of God to make it as explicit as Paul did.

Paul did not call for Jews to stop following the Law, he just told them it that outwards rituals have no efficacy for salvation. Only the inner holy spirit can make man righteous through virtuous living. Only by the spirit can man be saved. The outward rituals required by the Law are mere symbolic, figurative representations of divine events. Other than that they have no value. No efficacy for righteousness.

This is not that difficult. Paul was arguably a devout follower of the Torah in its higher spiritual significance, not in its earthly, or literal meaning.

This right here ^^^ is the crux of the issue, ie., what does the Torah mean? Is there a spiritual meaning or not? Is it a representation of the divine theocracy or a historical textbook? Great souls decidedly chose the former and the natural men chose the latter. Consequently, they have been opposed to each other for over two thousand years.

There isn't.


It's very evident Paul wasn't taught by Gamaliel. Hillel followed the written and oral law. Paul followed neither.


Christianity is all about abrogation which neither the house of Shammai or Hillel where about. Some of the oral law agrees with Shammai.


They were preferred by the people at-large.
 
The entire Torah is summed up as, subsumed by the Golden Rule. That is the message. If one knows nothing about the Torah, but he follows the Golden rule then he/she has fulfilled the whole Law. That is the point.

You would have us erroneously believe that one loves God and others by doing every commandment in the Torah, all 613 of them. Nonsense! But what else should we expect from you.
The 613 gives applications and situations on how to love. You miss that. No surprise from you.

Paul abrogated the the outward expression of the Torah as literally commanded, in lieu if its higher meaning, its spiritual meaning, its eternal meaning, something you know nothing about.
He abrogated everything. The Nazarenes called him out as an apostate.

How else could Hillel sum up the whole Torah into one simple Golden rule unless the whole Torah was up for interpretation? He was essentially doing the same thing as Paul but did not have the calling or power of God to make it as explicit as Paul did.

Paul did not call for Jews to stop following the Law, he just told them it that outwards rituals have no efficacy for salvation. Only the inner holy spirit can make man righteous through virtuous living. Only by the spirit can man be saved. The outward rituals required by the Law are mere symbolic, figurative representations of divine events. Other than that they have no value. No efficacy for righteousness.
He was an apostate and abrogater.

This is not that difficult. Paul was arguably a devout follower of the Torah in its higher spiritual significance, not in its earthly, or literal meaning.
That's a joke.

This right here ^^^ is the crux of the issue, ie., what does the Torah mean? Is there a spiritual meaning or not? Is it a representation of the divine theocracy or a historical textbook? Great souls decidedly chose the former and the natural men chose the latter. Consequently, they have been opposed to each other for over two thousand years.
The law has both aspect already.
 
Nobody loves God with all their heart and strength Deuteronomy 6:5
all mankind born of the will of the flesh have a Sin nature which prevents it

if actually using the Law lawfully would know that
believing Messiah and the gospel, Paul understood that
 
Nobody loves God with all their heart and strength Deuteronomy 6:5
all mankind born of the will of the flesh have a Sin nature which prevents it
That's what we should all strive for. Even Jesus needed to grow in faith and unmerited grace, Luke 2:52.

if actually using the Law lawfully would know that
believing Messiah and the gospel, Paul understood that
Well, the Nazarenes knew Paul was a fake.
 
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