The new covenant is unconditional

[Reformedguy]

What is does not say is man cannot understand the gospel he reads or hears

It speaks of knowledge gained in a particular way

c. γ. τὰ τοῦ πνεύματος the things which proceed from the Spirit, 1 Co. 2:14; τὸ πνεῦμα τ. ἀληθείας καὶ τὸ πν. τῆς πλάνης, 1 Jn. 4:6; τὰ μυστήρια τῆς βασιλείας τῶν οὐρανῶν, Mt. 13:11; τὴν ἀλήθειαν, Jn. 8:32; 2 Jn. 1; absol., of the knowledge of divine things, 1 Co. 13:12; of the knowledge of things lawful for a Christian, 1 Co. 8:2.

[Syn. γινώσκειν, εἰδέναι, ἐπίστασθαι, συνιέναι: In classic usage (cf. Schmidt ch. 13), γινώσκειν, distinguished from the rest by its original inchoative force, denotes a discriminating apprehension of external impressions, a knowledge grounded in personal experience. εἰδέναι, lit. ‘to have seen with the mind’s eye,’ signifies a clear and purely mental perception, in contrast both to conjecture and to knowledge derived from others. ἐπίστασθαι primarily expresses the knowledge obtained by proximity to the thing known (cf. our understand, Germ. verstehen); then knowledge viewed as the result of prolonged practice, in opposition to the process of learning on the one hand, and to the uncertain knowledge of a dilettante on the other. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament - Thayers

as was noted

Sorry you already affirmed they can understand the gospel

so you are self refuted

1cor 2:14 is simply not saying man cannot understand what he reads or hears preached contrary to many versesd

John 20:31 (ESV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Romans 10:10–17 (ESV) — 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Still not dealing with 1 Corinthians 2.

Yes, that paticular way is by the Spirit. LOL

 

[fltom]

Still not dealing with 1 Corinthians 2.

Yes, that paticular way is by the Spirit. LOL

There you go bearing false witness again

What is does not say is man cannot understand the gospel he reads or hears

It speaks of knowledge gained in a particular way

c. γ. τὰ τοῦ πνεύματος the things which proceed from the Spirit, 1 Co. 2:14; τὸ πνεῦμα τ. ἀληθείας καὶ τὸ πν. τῆς πλάνης, 1 Jn. 4:6; τὰ μυστήρια τῆς βασιλείας τῶν οὐρανῶν, Mt. 13:11; τὴν ἀλήθειαν, Jn. 8:32; 2 Jn. 1; absol., of the knowledge of divine things, 1 Co. 13:12; of the knowledge of things lawful for a Christian, 1 Co. 8:2.

[Syn. γινώσκειν, εἰδέναι, ἐπίστασθαι, συνιέναι: In classic usage (cf. Schmidt ch. 13), γινώσκειν, distinguished from the rest by its original inchoative force, denotes a discriminating apprehension of external impressions, a knowledge grounded in personal experience. εἰδέναι, lit. ‘to have seen with the mind’s eye,’ signifies a clear and purely mental perception, in contrast both to conjecture and to knowledge derived from others. ἐπίστασθαι primarily expresses the knowledge obtained by proximity to the thing known (cf. our understand, Germ. verstehen); then knowledge viewed as the result of prolonged practice, in opposition to the process of learning on the one hand, and to the uncertain knowledge of a dilettante on the other. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament - Thayers

And ignoring your own confession

Reformedguy

Unbelievers can understand.

- Fiath Comes by Hearing

Yes. Spiritually is how you must understand them. Which you can only do by the Spirit. The certain manner is Spiritually. Only done by the Spirit as the text clearly says. Completely missing the point. The verse is not speaking of learning which comes from listening to another or from reading...

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so you are self refuted

and scripturally refuted

1cor 2:14 is simply not saying man cannot understand what he reads or hears preached contrary to many versesd

John 20:31 (ESV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Romans 10:10–17 (ESV) — 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

 

[Reformedguy]

There you go bearing false witness again

What is does not say is man cannot understand the gospel he reads or hears

It speaks of knowledge gained in a particular way

c. γ. τὰ τοῦ πνεύματος the things which proceed from the Spirit, 1 Co. 2:14; τὸ πνεῦμα τ. ἀληθείας καὶ τὸ πν. τῆς πλάνης, 1 Jn. 4:6; τὰ μυστήρια τῆς βασιλείας τῶν οὐρανῶν, Mt. 13:11; τὴν ἀλήθειαν, Jn. 8:32; 2 Jn. 1; absol., of the knowledge of divine things, 1 Co. 13:12; of the knowledge of things lawful for a Christian, 1 Co. 8:2.

[Syn. γινώσκειν, εἰδέναι, ἐπίστασθαι, συνιέναι: In classic usage (cf. Schmidt ch. 13), γινώσκειν, distinguished from the rest by its original inchoative force, denotes a discriminating apprehension of external impressions, a knowledge grounded in personal experience. εἰδέναι, lit. ‘to have seen with the mind’s eye,’ signifies a clear and purely mental perception, in contrast both to conjecture and to knowledge derived from others. ἐπίστασθαι primarily expresses the knowledge obtained by proximity to the thing known (cf. our understand, Germ. verstehen); then knowledge viewed as the result of prolonged practice, in opposition to the process of learning on the one hand, and to the uncertain knowledge of a dilettante on the other. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament - Thayers

And ignoring your own confession

- Fiath Comes by Hearing

Yes. Spiritually is how you must understand them. Which you can only do by the Spirit. The certain manner is Spiritually. Only done by the Spirit as the text clearly says. Completely missing the point. The verse is not speaking of learning which comes from listening to another or from reading...

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so you are self refuted

and scripturally refuted

1cor 2:14 is simply not saying man cannot understand what he reads or hears preached contrary to many versesd

John 20:31 (ESV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Romans 10:10–17 (ESV) — 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing hiswjwher riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Where? 1 Corinthians 2. The natural man CANNOT understand...... how much clearer can it be?

 

[fltom]

Where? 1 Corinthians 2. The natural man CANNOT understand...... how much clearer can it be?

Right where you confessed unbelievers and even atheist can understand the gospel

Hello

Care to take that foot out of your mouth by which you were self refuted

 

[Reformedguy]

Right where you confessed unbelievers and even atheist can understand the gospel

Hello

Care to take that foot out of your mouth by which you were self refuted

Tom is now saying atheists are saved. They understand it.

Tom conflate intellectual ascent with Spiritual understanding STILL. LOL

 

[fltom]

Tom is now saying atheists are saved. They understand it.

Tom conflate intellectual ascent with Spiritual understanding STILL. LOL

There you go bearing false witness again

Right where you confessed unbelievers and even atheist can understand the gospel

(Care to show where it is stated atheist are saved)

When one deliberately states what one knows to be not true it is called a lie

 

[Reformedguy]

There you go bearing false witness again

Right where you confessed unbelievers and even atheist can understand the gospel

(Care to show where it is stated atheist are saved)

When one deliberately states what one knows to be not true it is called a lie

Atheists understand, are they saved? Is mere understanding enough??

Of course not.

Get with it

 

[fltom]

Atheists understand, are they saved? Is mere understanding enough??

Of course not.

Get with it

Don't change the subject

Address what appears to be a lie and show it is not

......................

There you go bearing false witness again

Right where you confessed unbelievers and even atheist can understand the gospel

(Care to show where it is stated atheist are saved)

When one deliberately states what one knows to be not true it is called a lie

 

[Reformedguy]

Don't change the subject

Address what appears to be a lie and show it is not

......................

There you go bearing false witness again

Right where you confessed unbelievers and even atheist can understand the gospel

(Care to show where it is stated atheist are saved)

When one deliberately states what one knows to be not true it is called a lie

Atheists understand the gospel and according to you that's what saves right? Or is there something more.....

My question is germane to the topic at hand. You simply won't answer because there goes your insanely silly position.

 

[fltom]

Atheists understand the gospel and according to you that's what saves right? Or is there something more.....

Don't change the subject

Justify what appears to be a lie

......................

There you go bearing false witness again

Right where you confessed unbelievers and even atheist can understand the gospel

(Care to show where it is stated atheist are saved)

Are you going to justify this or continue bearing false witness

When one deliberately states what one knows to be not true it is called a lie

 

[Reformedguy]

Don't change the subject

Justify what appears to be a lie

......................

There you go bearing false witness again

Right where you confessed unbelievers and even atheist can understand the gospel

(Care to show where it is stated atheist are saved)

Are you going to justify this or continue bearing false witness

When one deliberately states what one knows to be not true it is called a lie

Are Athiests saved? They understand. If not, why not?

DODGER is back and true to form.

 

[fltom]

Are Athiests saved? They understand. If not, why not?

DODGER is back and true to form.

Justify your false statement as was asked

......................................

Don't change the subject

Justify what appears to be a lie

......................

There you go bearing false witness again

Right where you confessed unbelievers and even atheist can understand the gospel

(Care to show where it is stated atheist are saved)

Are you going to justify this or continue bearing false witness

When one deliberately states what one knows to be not true it is called a lie

 

[Reformedguy]

Justify your false statement as was asked

......................................

Don't change the subject

Justify what appears to be a lie

......................

There you go bearing false witness again

Right where you confessed unbelievers and even atheist can understand the gospel

(Care to show where it is stated atheist are saved)

Are you going to justify this or continue bearing false witness

When one deliberately states what one knows to be not true it is called a lie

Athiests saved? They understand. Some of them better than you or I. Does understanding save?

 

[fltom]

Athiests saved? They understand. Some of them better than you or I. Does understanding save?

stop diverting

justify your false witness

Justify your false statement as was asked

......................................

Don't change the subject

Justify what appears to be a lie

......................

There you go bearing false witness again

Right where you confessed unbelievers and even atheist can understand the gospel

(Care to show where it is stated atheist are saved)

Are you going to justify this or continue bearing false witness

When one deliberately states what one knows to be not true it is called a lie

readers note how he makes false statement then refuses to justify them

 

[Reformedguy]

stop diverting

justify your false witness

Justify your false statement as was asked

......................................

Don't change the subject

Justify what appears to be a lie

......................

There you go bearing false witness again

Right where you confessed unbelievers and even atheist can understand the gospel

(Care to show where it is stated atheist are saved)

Are you going to justify this or continue bearing false witness

When one deliberately states what one knows to be not true it is called a lie

readers note how he makes false statement then refuses to justify them

Are Athiests saved? They understand. Are you a Gnostic? Your saved by understanding???

 

[fltom]

Are Athiests saved? They understand. Are you a Gnostic? Your saved by understanding???

Readers note the dishonesty in his approach

stop diverting

justify your false witness

Justify your false statement as was asked

......................................

Don't change the subject

Justify what appears to be a lie

......................

There you go bearing false witness again

Right where you confessed unbelievers and even atheist can understand the gospel

(Care to show where it is stated atheist are saved)

Are you going to justify this or continue bearing false witness

When one deliberately states what one knows to be not true it is called a lie

 

[Reformedguy]

Readers note the dishonesty in his approach

stop diverting

justify your false witness

Justify your false statement as was asked

......................................

Don't change the subject

Justify what appears to be a lie

......................

There you go bearing false witness again

Right where you confessed unbelievers and even atheist can understand the gospel

(Care to show where it is stated atheist are saved)

Are you going to justify this or continue bearing false witness

When one deliberately states what one knows to be not true it is called a lie

Are athiests saved? How about Muslims? The understand the gospel.

Tom is Gnostic. He believes it is knowledge and understanding that saves.

 

[fltom]

Are athiests saved? How about Muslims? The understand the gospel.

Tom is Gnostic. He believes it is knowledge and understanding that saves.

Why do you run from your dishonesty/

Readers note the dishonesty in his approach

stop diverting

justify your false witness

Justify your false statement as was asked

......................................

Don't change the subject

Justify what appears to be a lie

......................

There you go bearing false witness again

Right where you confessed unbelievers and even atheist can understand the gospel

(Care to show where it is stated atheist are saved)

Are you going to justify this or continue bearing false witness

When one deliberately states what one knows to be not true it is called a lie