Mormon Teachings That They Want to Bury (mostly from mrm.org)

Janice Bower

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Only a short time before his death, President Snow visited the Brigham Young University [then Brigham Young Academy], at Provo. President Brimhall escorted the party through one of the buildings; he wanted to reach the assembly room as soon as possible, as the students had already gathered. They were going through one of the kindergarten rooms; President Brimhall had reached the door and was about to open it and go on when President Snow said: ‘Wait a moment, President Brimhall, I want to see these children at work; what are they doing?’ Brother Brimhall replied that they were making clay spheres. ‘That is very interesting,’ the President said. ‘I want to watch them.’ He quietly watched the children for several minutes and then lifted a little girl, perhaps six years of age, and stood her on a table. He then took the clay sphere from her hand, and, turning to Brother Brimhall, said: ‘President Brimhall, these children are now at play, making mud worlds, the time will come when some of these boys, through their faithfulness to the gospel, will progress and develop in knowledge, intelligence and power, in future eternities, until they shall be able to go out into space where there is unorganized matter and call together the necessary elements, and through their knowledge of and control over the laws and powers of nature, to organize matter into worlds on which their posterity may dwell, and over which they shall rule as gods.’ (Snow, Improvement Era, June 1919, 658–59).”



"That great blessing of celestial glory could never have come to us without a period of time in mortality, and so we came here in this mortal world. We are in school, the mortal school, to gain the experiences, the training, the joys, and the sufferings that we partake of, that we might be educated in all these things and be prepared, if we are faithful and true to the commandments of the Lord, to become sons and daughters of God, joint heirs with Jesus Christ; and in His presence to go on to a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever, and perhaps through our faithfulness to have the opportunity of building worlds and peopling them.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, “Adam’s Role in Bringing Us Mortality,” General Conference, Oct. 1976, reprinted in Liahona, Jan. 2006.)

“The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fullness of his kingdom. In other words, we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fullness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation 2:48, quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage Student Manual, 1976, p.132)

I own Achieving a Celestial Marriage Student Manual.

“We educate ourselves in the secular field and in the spiritual field so that we may one day create worlds, people and govern them.” (The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, ed. Edward L. Kimball [1982], 386).

In 2001 Henry B. Eyring repeated the key part of this quote in a Church Educational System (CES) fireside talk on Sunday, May 6, in Moscow, Idaho. His message was titled, “Drive for learning must have powerful spiritual component.” The quote was repeated not only in the LDS Church News, but also in the October 2002 Ensign. On the official LDS seminary website, Kimball’s quote was again cited by Mormon Apostle Richard G. Scott. In Mormonism, “seminary” is geared for high-school students.

“The real life we’re preparing for is eternal life. Secular knowledge has for us eternal significance. Our conviction is that God, our Heavenly Father, wants us to live the life that He does. We learn both the spiritual things and the secular things ‘so we may one day create worlds [and] people and govern them’ (Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, ed. Edward L. Kimball [1982], 386).” (Henry B. Eyring)

“Brethren, 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose 225,000 of you may become gods. There seems to be plenty of space out there in the universe. And the Lord has proved that he knows how to do it. I think he could make, or probably have us help make, worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000” (Spencer W. Kimball, “The Privilege of Holding the Priesthood,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 1975, p. 80. Quoted in Doctrine and Covenants Institute Student Manual).
 
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I'm sensing a theme here. I'm not sure what you think is supposed to be embarrassing here or that we want to keep hidden.
"That great blessing of celestial glory could never have come to us without a period of time in mortality, and so we came here in this mortal world. We are in school, the mortal school, to gain the experiences, the training, the joys, and the sufferings that we partake of, that we might be educated in all these things and be prepared, if we are faithful and true to the commandments of the Lord, to become sons and daughters of God, joint heirs with Jesus Christ; and in His presence to go on to a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever, and perhaps through our faithfulness to have the opportunity of building worlds and peopling them.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, “Adam’s Role in Bringing Us Mortality,” General Conference, Oct. 1976, reprinted in Liahona, Jan. 2006.)
If you'll notice the word "perhaps", we might suppose that the idea of building worlds was speculation. Other words that would work equally well are, possibly, potentially, maybe, for all I know, for all you know, it could be that, it may be that, and the list goes on. IOW, the idea is that we will do whatever we think God is doing. We have never shied away from that. To suppose that we would is wishful thinking on your part and maybe that was the intent of mrm, IDKADC.

Whenever we see anyone in our church speculate on the details of what we'll be doing, it is based on what they imagine God is doing. I'm fine with that. It does create fodder for our critics to mock and ridicule, but they don't know any better. They don't know what God did either. You don't see us running around claiming that we'll make things out of nothing. Or speak them into existence? All religions speculate on what they THINK God did. Ours happens to be based somewhat on Genesis and if you take other scriptures into consideration the idea that we will be creating worlds is not well thought out. Why? Because we believe that God directed the work and someone else actually did it. Christ created the earth under the Father's direction. So, scripturally, we won't be creating worlds, we will be directing that work.

When our critics make fun of these speculative statements they display their ignorance of our teachings. I don't believe any of these statements are intended to be doctrine. The idea that we intend to convey is simply that we will be doing what God is doing (not what he did, but what He is doing to further His work). As for life in the hereafter, Joseph Smith made it clear that our society will be the same as we enjoy now; family, friends, entertainment, worship, education, and work - all without the problems we are plagued with in mortality. This society will work together under Christ, and with us, we will go down and say, let us create man in our imagine and in our likeness... And so, the story begins anew.

All of this is a high level view. No specifics are given. Now, you have some kind of idea why Genesis is not an instruction manual on how God did what he did. Even with what little He gave us, religion has run let their imaginations run wild. Ours is no different. All statements about what we'll be doing as Gods are speculation because we really don't know how He's doing it. All we know is the end result - man exists on a world that he doesn't know how it came to be. Why it's here and why we're here is what religion is all about and we suppose, because someone told us, that God did it. To what end, is the speculation of religion. We believe that it is to become like Him and continue His work. You believe it is to return to the garden of Eden and do nothing forever.

I don't believe the scriptures support your religion. What we are told in them doesn't fit what you believe. It doesn't even fit a common sense model. I believe that true scriptural religion must be able to address the promised made to Abraham that would in turn be made to all his posterity. That promise is related to an apparent never ending posterity. Your view of our purpose here does not fit his promises. Ours does.

This verse, John 14:12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father, has never been addressed on this board or by your religions. It is addressed by ours even if only feebly so. We cannot adequately address the glory of God, but we do believe that the promises given to Abraham enable "greater works than these".
 
Only a short time before his death, President Snow visited the Brigham Young University [then Brigham Young Academy], at Provo. President Brimhall escorted the party through one of the buildings; he wanted to reach the assembly room as soon as possible, as the students had already gathered. They were going through one of the kindergarten rooms; President Brimhall had reached the door and was about to open it and go on when President Snow said: ‘Wait a moment, President Brimhall, I want to see these children at work; what are they doing?’ Brother Brimhall replied that they were making clay spheres. ‘That is very interesting,’ the President said. ‘I want to watch them.’ He quietly watched the children for several minutes and then lifted a little girl, perhaps six years of age, and stood her on a table. He then took the clay sphere from her hand, and, turning to Brother Brimhall, said: ‘President Brimhall, these children are now at play, making mud worlds, the time will come when some of these boys, through their faithfulness to the gospel, will progress and develop in knowledge, intelligence and power, in future eternities, until they shall be able to go out into space where there is unorganized matter and call together the necessary elements, and through their knowledge of and control over the laws and powers of nature, to organize matter into worlds on which their posterity may dwell, and over which they shall rule as gods.’ (Snow, Improvement Era, June 1919, 658–59).”

I have a question:

Why would those who sit on the throne of God--be engaged with any other work than what God is engaged in?

Revelation 3:21---King James Version
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Revelation 2:26-27---King James Version
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
 
So, we want to bury these teachings so badly that we...published them?
No, the Mormons have published a lot of things over the years since the early 19th century. That doesn't mean present day leaders teach those things, does it?

Help us out. Give us a current link to exalted persons having their own planets. Thanks.
 
Only a short time before his death, President Snow visited the Brigham Young University [then Brigham Young Academy], at Provo. President Brimhall escorted the party through one of the buildings; he wanted to reach the assembly room as soon as possible, as the students had already gathered. They were going through one of the kindergarten rooms; President Brimhall had reached the door and was about to open it and go on when President Snow said: ‘Wait a moment, President Brimhall, I want to see these children at work; what are they doing?’ Brother Brimhall replied that they were making clay spheres. ‘That is very interesting,’ the President said. ‘I want to watch them.’ He quietly watched the children for several minutes and then lifted a little girl, perhaps six years of age, and stood her on a table. He then took the clay sphere from her hand, and, turning to Brother Brimhall, said: ‘President Brimhall, these children are now at play, making mud worlds, the time will come when some of these boys, through their faithfulness to the gospel, will progress and develop in knowledge, intelligence and power, in future eternities, until they shall be able to go out into space where there is unorganized matter and call together the necessary elements, and through their knowledge of and control over the laws and powers of nature, to organize matter into worlds on which their posterity may dwell, and over which they shall rule as gods.’ (Snow, Improvement Era, June 1919, 658–59).”



"That great blessing of celestial glory could never have come to us without a period of time in mortality, and so we came here in this mortal world. We are in school, the mortal school, to gain the experiences, the training, the joys, and the sufferings that we partake of, that we might be educated in all these things and be prepared, if we are faithful and true to the commandments of the Lord, to become sons and daughters of God, joint heirs with Jesus Christ; and in His presence to go on to a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever, and perhaps through our faithfulness to have the opportunity of building worlds and peopling them.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, “Adam’s Role in Bringing Us Mortality,” General Conference, Oct. 1976, reprinted in Liahona, Jan. 2006.)

“The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fullness of his kingdom. In other words, we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fullness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation 2:48, quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage Student Manual, 1976, p.132)

I own Achieving a Celestial Marriage Student Manual.

“We educate ourselves in the secular field and in the spiritual field so that we may one day create worlds, people and govern them.” (The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, ed. Edward L. Kimball [1982], 386).

In 2001 Henry B. Eyring repeated the key part of this quote in a Church Educational System (CES) fireside talk on Sunday, May 6, in Moscow, Idaho. His message was titled, “Drive for learning must have powerful spiritual component.” The quote was repeated not only in the LDS Church News, but also in the October 2002 Ensign. On the official LDS seminary website, Kimball’s quote was again cited by Mormon Apostle Richard G. Scott. In Mormonism, “seminary” is geared for high-school students.

“The real life we’re preparing for is eternal life. Secular knowledge has for us eternal significance. Our conviction is that God, our Heavenly Father, wants us to live the life that He does. We learn both the spiritual things and the secular things ‘so we may one day create worlds [and] people and govern them’ (Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, ed. Edward L. Kimball [1982], 386).” (Henry B. Eyring)

“Brethren, 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose 225,000 of you may become gods. There seems to be plenty of space out there in the universe. And the Lord has proved that he knows how to do it. I think he could make, or probably have us help make, worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000” (Spencer W. Kimball, “The Privilege of Holding the Priesthood,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 1975, p. 80. Quoted in Doctrine and Covenants Institute Student Manual).
What makes you think these were buried, since these things were published in Mormon periodicals and conferences? But this is interesting stuff. Thanks for posting it.
 
NBC News, Associated Press



I noticed that this belief was mentioned in the manual Achieving a Celestlal Marriage but it's hard to find now.

"Church members imagine exaltation less through images of what they will get and more through the relationships they have now and how those relationships might be purified and elevated," it says.

That doesn't address the issue head on.
 
No, the Mormons have published a lot of things over the years since the early 19th century. That doesn't mean present day leaders teach those things, does it?

Help us out. Give us a current link to exalted persons having their own planets. Thanks.

That seems a little desperate--does it not?
 
No, the Mormons have published a lot of things over the years since the early 19th century. That doesn't mean present day leaders teach those things, does it?
How many times must we publish something before it becomes something that we published?
Help us out.
We are. It doesn't seem that any of you are getting it.
Give us a current link to exalted persons having their own planets. Thanks.
Give us a current link to any exalted person who doesn't have their own planet.
 
NBC News, Associated Press
LOL. NBC News. LOL What a joke.

Did you miss this part? "A newly posted article affirms the faith's belief that humans can become like God in eternity"

There is nothing new here. This is exactly what I've been telling you all. The doctrine is simple, the expansion on that doctrine by individuals is speculation based on what they can see. It's not unlike the silly idea that you all have that God makes things out of nothing (a notion that is not possible) - that's called magic and, quite frankly, magic is something pagans believe).

You know, when both of your sources get their information from the same source, it's not two sources. I just think it's funny you posted the same article twice others that quote the AP source. The point is, you're not presenting anything that we haven't already told you. We're helping you all out, but you just don't seem to be getting it.
That doesn't address the issue head on.
it sure does. IOW, your petty views on what you think we believe is not what we believe. If you spent more time listening to us when we were trying to help you all out, you wouldn't stumble into situations like this. We do believe that we will have all that the Father has. That is scripturally supported in the Bible that you all claim to believe. That creates a problem for you all. it doesn't create a problem for us. And the fact that you avoid it, doesn't address the issue head-on.
 
I have a question:

Why would those who sit on the throne of God--be engaged with any other work than what God is engaged in?

Revelation 3:21---King James Version
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Revelation 2:26-27---King James Version
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Could anyone address this?
 
And as an active Mormon for all those years, I was NEVER taught that we'd be ruling planets. What I was taught came from Sacrament meetings, Relief Society and M-Men & Gleaners.
 
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I have a question:

Why would those who sit on the throne of God--be engaged with any other work than what God is engaged in?

Revelation 3:21---King James Version
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Revelation 2:26-27---King James Version
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Could anyone address this?
My God isn't your god.
 
I have a question:

Do millions of Mormons sit on your god's throne forever?
What does the Bible say? Those that have overcome the world. However many that may be. You don't think he was talking about physically sitting on the same chair, do you? It's clearly symbolic of having equal rulership. I'm sure he can share that with as many billions as he wants to. There isn't a limit from what I can tell.
 
What does the Bible say? Those that have overcome the world. However many that may be. You don't think he was talking about physically sitting on the same chair, do you? It's clearly symbolic of having equal rulership. I'm sure he can share that with as many billions as he wants to. There isn't a limit from what I can tell.
Who will you be ruling over?
 
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