God is a Spirit. The Father is NOT.
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Jim harmon
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The word says
Gen 1: 3,6,9,11,14,20,24,26,29
All says “GOD said”
But as usual you are trying to divert from the subject .
Man consists of
body ,soul , spirit.
Not three persons .
GOD (as stated in the word ) is SPIRIT .
John 4:24 (KJV)
God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
Not three persons .
Jim harmon
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You are comparing GOD to man .
Impossible .
Man is
body
soul
spirit , good or evil
GOD is
John 4:24 (KJV)
God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
Trinity is false .
There is no distinct Personalities of The Father and The Son. Nowhere in scriptures they became two distinct Persons.
The Personality of God is invested in the Firstborn over all creation.
The Father is in The Son and The Son is in the Father as Echad.
Heb 1:
1 God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2 in these last days has spoken to us in a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds.
Before Bethlehem there was no Son of God but only in prophetic scriptures. God manifest in flesh is The Son of God. He existed as God and was revealed to Israel as Yahuah, The Father in covenant relationship. Israel is God's firstborn, Heir to God's promises. That's why He manifested as The Son of God, representing Israel and Mediating for Israel.
Exod 4:22 “And you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus said יהוה, “Yisra’ĕl is My son, My first-born,
Rom 8:29 Because those whom He knew beforehand, He also ordained beforehand to be conformed to the likeness of His Son, for Him to be the first-born among many brothers.
It's for Israel He came because Israel is the heir:
Gal 4:
1 But I say that so long as the heir is a child, he is no different from a slave, though he is lord of all;
2 but is under guardians and stewards until the day appointed by the father.
3 So we also, when we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental principles of the world.
4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent out his Son, born to a woman, born under the law,
5 that he might redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of children.
Christianity has diluted the truth by introducing Trinitarianism. It's far from truth.
johnny guitar
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Father and Son are distinct Persons from eternity.
Scriptures are spiritual in nature and they are not easy to understand for any common man unless one is born from above.
God is Spirit - invisible and unapproachable. His formlessness is incompatible to creation with form. That's why He manifested in Man's form in Theophanies and Anthromorphism in the OT as precursor to His permanent Bodily form from Bethlehem.
Nobody has ever seen God at anytime and yet prophets of old have seen him in figure of Man.
That's why Moses said :
Exod 15:3 The LORD(Yahuah) is a man of war. The LORD is his name.
It's not only here but early as Gen 3:8
8 And they heard the voice of יהוה Elohim walking as a Man about in the garden in the cool of the day, and Aḏam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of יהוה Elohim among the trees of the garden.
He has a voice, He walks like a Man and has a Presence.
The Spirit doesn't have this faculty.
God said 'Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness. Why did God use plural pronouns. He ain't multi-personal. He teaches us that He is existing both as invisible Spirit as well as in the form of a Man after whose image Adam was formed.
Just because The Son was manifest in all humility doesn't mean He is not God of Genesis. The doctrine of The Father and Son is in harmony with the covenant relationship between God and His people Israel - Exod 4:22; Rom 8:29.
God is not The Father with generic title and so also The Son is not a generic title. The titles have to do with the covenant. There was no Father or The Son before creation but there was only God Who was unknown as there was no creation to have any relevance.
The Son is God manifest in flesh as The True Israel of God. There was none other to represent and Mediate for Israel.
He transitioned Israel from being in flesh to be spiritual son of God - Gal 4:4-5.
How did God send forth His Son? By His own decree He made - Psalm 2: 6-7.
God is Spirit and one needs to be spiritual to worship Him. Without The Son, who can be spiritual? It doesn't mean we have to be disembodied spirits. God will be permanently seen in the Body in glory in the age to come. Only His elect will have that previledge.
Show scriptures rather than plain talks. I can show you that there was no Father or Son before creation from scriptures.
Still multiple gods. Binitarianism!
johnny guitar
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Please do so.
Photine
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Your god talks to himself and lies.
On the contrary just by determining/uttering." The Father and The Son "of itself and by itself signifies difference ,whereas in God there is only distinction by that which is its opposite/Relative Oppositio. As when we say," The Father and The Son" , hence distinct Persons, but not as if there exist any real supposition or subjection. God is His own Godhead . There is no composition or subjection in God, so what we say "distinct Persons". You protest too much over words and terms, so what is it to me if I understand rightly what is meant to be understood?
......Alan
Yahchristian
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Just to clarify YOUR terms...
Is there any distinction between "God's Spirit" and "virtus Spirationis"?
So you have the three persons participating in a sort of impersonal substance called "Spirit", correct?
Therefore you have no spirit...
Are you saying spirit is not a spirit?
Those silly arguments make no sense...Johnny also said Jesus is not a son of God, he is the son of God. Is the son of God not a son of God?
really?
where is that written in the scripture? There is no mention of divine persons as you put it, in the scripture.
The son identifies the father as the only true God... Did the son make a mistake or is the father the only true God?
You are babbling. Who divided what substance? You seem to be denying that the father is the only true God. Was Jesus speaking the truth or was he lying?
The trinity was invented by the thoughts of men therefore any debate about it would either be for or against. You refer to the trinity as a person. Is the trinity a person?
johnny guitar
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NO. THE Son of God is THE ONE and ONLY Son of God.
There is NO other.
No, you are wrong. There is no distinct Personalities of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is only One Personality of God in the form of Man. Yep are reading into scriptures your multi-personal god.
God Who is invisible is incomprehensible to creation and that's why we have The WORD to interact with creation.
That's why Moses in Exodus 15:3 says Yahuah is a Man....
That's how He and all prophets saw Him
The titles of The Father, Son and HS are purely Covenant and dispensational titles with regard to Israel.
God spake in OT as The Father of Israel (His firstborn son). In the NT God spake in The Son. After His resurrection - both Father and Son dwell in His people Israel - Acts 2:17-18.
No three personalities in God. It's Israel which has been in God's prophetic clock. Not Christianity!
This terminology of spiration, filation is totally heathenish. It has nothing to do with scriptures.
God was not known as The Father apart from Israel as His firstborn son who was represented and mediated for by The Son manifest in flesh. John 17 is His prayer to The Father as The Mediator of Israel.
Now the question is how did God manifest in flesh as The Son of God? By the principle of division of Spirit and Soul - Heb 4:12. God passed the double edged sword upon Himself to reveal the intents of His heart to us before judging intents of the hearts of men:
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
This is not the only scripture.
Luke 2:
34 and Shim’on blessed them, and said to Miriam, his mother, “Look, this child is set for the falling and the rising of many in Israel, and for a sign which is spoken against.
35 Yes, a sword will pierce through your own being that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.”
The Body The Messiah received was not from Mary (of dust) but prepared from heaven. His birth was entirely supernatural. It's by the legality of the Torah that He was the Son of Abraham, the Son of David and the son of Joseph and Mary. He is not a biological son in genealogy.
His Sonship with God as The Father will end in the age to come when all His people will be endowed with sonship - transition from being in flesh to being spiritual - from being a child to maturity.