Rosh Hashanah

[Open Heart]

gentilization is a non-gentile problem

There is more than one way to commit genocide. Killing the individuals of an ethnicity is one way. But a more subtle way is to kill their culture.

Consider that the US employed this second manner when it kidnapped Native American kids and sent them to boarding schools. There, they had their hair cut and their clothing changed. They were prohibited from speaking their language, and forced to practice the religion of their captors.

Basically, if you can obliterate the culture of a people, you have in essence taken away that very thing which makes them a people.

It is Torah which holds the Jewish people together. Any and all forces that encourage Jews to give up Torah are agents of slow motion genocide. This is why for example, that intermarriage is so devastating to the People of Israel. Joe Jew marries Betty Baptist, and suddenly he finds a Christmas tree in his living room. The Jewish identity of the children, if it is the mother that is the Jew, is tenuous, and the grandchildren simply no longer identify as Jews. And of course, if it is the the father who is the Jew, none of the children are Jews. The line is lost to the people of Israel.

In the identical way, conversion to Christianity destroys that connection to Torah. In every way, the Jew loses that culture which makes the Jews a People. The odds of intermarriage are sky high, as they will now be looking for marriage partners among Christians. The odds that their grandchildren will identify as Jews are devastatingly low. Again, their line becomes lost to the People of Israel.

The effect on the Jewish people is the same as if they had died.

 

[Open Heart]

Jesus said for His followers to not use "rabbi" as a title
I assume because it indeed does mean something specific within the culture of Judaism

"But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for one is your Teacher, the Messiah, and you are all brethren."
Matthew 23

The legend also says that Jesus said not to call people father, but I'm sure you call your dad your dad.

 

[American Gothic]

so yr purpose here, in this forum
is
to mostly cry Jewish (and others) victimhood
and
make fun of Jesus and Jesus believers (including implying that Jews who believe Him are not real Jews or losing their Jewishness)

 

[Open Heart]

so yr purpose here, in this forum
is
to mostly cry Jewish (and others) victimhood
and
make fun of Jesus and Jesus believers (including implying that Jews who believe Him are not real Jews or losing their Jewishness)

No, but I'm fairly certain that your personal hatred of me will continue to distort the intent of my posts.

 

[Jewjitzu]

not believing Jesus is not believing God

No, not believing he's God is believing God. Moses wrote the judges, priests, ie Rabbis, are to be believed and followed. They judge as God.

not believing the Apostles and what they teach is not believing God

No, the whole NT is about abrogation and not following God.

that would include understanding of the covenants and laws in a New covenant context
and living in that New reality

The new covenant pertains to the houses of Israel and Judah. That's the context and reality.

 

[Jewjitzu]

so yr purpose here, in this forum
is
to mostly cry Jewish (and others) victimhood
and
make fun of Jesus and Jesus believers (including implying that Jews who believe Him are not real Jews or losing their Jewishness)

No, my purpose is to draw Jews and gentiles out of apostasy.

 

[Jewjitzu]

Jesus said for His followers to not use "rabbi" as a title
I assume because it indeed does mean something specific within the culture of Judaism

"But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for one is your Teacher, the Messiah, and you are all brethren."
Matthew 23

And yet he was called Rabbi in several places. It's a Rabbinic title. Ironic.

 

[Open Heart]

not believing Jesus is not believing God

not believing the Apostles and what they teach is not believing God
that would include understanding of the covenants and laws in a New covenant context
and living in that New reality

A Muslim would make the same fallacious arguments. "Not believing Muhammad is not believing God. Not believing the Quran is not believing God." Your conclusions simply are not warranted.

 

[American Gothic]

this is a Jesus believer forum, not the Mohammedan forum
you could try cry to the Muslims

you two obviously don't care about Jesus Messianic theology and culture because it is not your theology and culture

biblically, Jew is a blood thing thru the fathers, and marriage
that is neither of you as far as I would guess

 

[American Gothic]

Jesus predicted that Jewish believers in Him would be kicked out of the synagogues/Rabbinic Judaism
John the Baptist was calling Jews out of the unbiblical/cultic expressions that had cropped up
calling them back to the Way of their ancestors - the way of Faith

the rest of the existing Judaisms rejected the gospel of the Kingdom
and Israel collectively rejected God as their King for the second time
(so no wonder Kingdom expectations remain for future fulfilment - why would God give then what was not wanted?)

that is why any MJ using that as a model for their own gatherings is an oddity -
it is hardly something New, that also includes gentile believers with them in a truly New covenant lifestyle
and relationship to God and each other

 

[Open Heart]

this is a Jesus believer forum, not the Mohammedan forum
you could try cry to the Muslims

you two obviously don't care about Jesus Messianic theology and culture because it is not your theology and culture

biblically, Jew is a blood thing thru the fathers, and marriage
that is neither of you as far as I would guess

Using an analogy from Islam is a perfectly reasonable way to try to explain to your reasoning is poor.

 

[Jewjitzu]

this is a Jesus believer forum, not the Mohammedan forum
you could try cry to the Muslims

Funny... you seem to cry all of the time around here.

you two obviously don't care about Jesus Messianic theology and culture because it is not your theology and culture

It doesn't help to bring anyone closer to God.

biblically, Jew is a blood thing thru the fathers, and marriage

Well, then Jesus isn't 100% Jewish since he would descend from converts as did David.

that is neither of you as far as I would guess

I'm Jewish by blood, but Judaism is much more than that. Again, you have no idea what it is.

 

[Jewjitzu]

Jesus predicted that Jewish believers in Him would be kicked out of the synagogues/Rabbinic Judaism
John the Baptist was calling Jews out of the unbiblical/cultic expressions that had cropped up
calling them back to the Way of their ancestors - the way of Faith

the rest of the existing Judaisms rejected the gospel of the Kingdom
and Israel collectively rejected God as their King for the second time
(so no wonder Kingdom expectations remain for future fulfilment - why would God give then what was not wanted?)

that is why any MJ using that as a model for their own gatherings is an oddity -
it is hardly something New, that also includes gentile believers with them in a truly New covenant lifestyle
and relationship to God and each other

Jesus said a lot of things and failed.

 

[American Gothic]

the Lutherans maybe wouldn't like the Jewish Christian's kosher kasserole, thinking it ethnic and weird

and a Jew might see a Christmas tree in a Reformation era German Christian home (while living in Christian Germany, not Eretz Israel)
and feel butthurt about it somehow
and that is the Germans/Christians fault

and so
Jews in Jesus should have a rabbi (that isn't really a Rabbi) over them that will teach them Oral Torah/Traditions that Jesus criticized
otherwise, it is potentially their genocide and Jewish death

and in the Hebrew Bible, it talks in much detail about Eve, and Eve's daughter, and her daughter, and her daughter, and her daughter
all the way down to King David (proving his Jewishness) and eventually this unbroken chain of females will produce the Messiah

is this really yr reasoning?

Christmas tree - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There is more than one way to commit genocide. Killing the individuals of an ethnicity is one way. But a more subtle way is to kill their culture.

Consider that the US employed this second manner when it kidnapped Native American kids and sent them to boarding schools. There, they had their hair cut and their clothing changed. They were prohibited from speaking their language, and forced to practice the religion of their captors.

Basically, if you can obliterate the culture of a people, you have in essence taken away that very thing which makes them a people.

It is Torah which holds the Jewish people together. Any and all forces that encourage Jews to give up Torah are agents of slow motion genocide. This is why for example, that intermarriage is so devastating to the People of Israel. Joe Jew marries Betty Baptist, and suddenly he finds a Christmas tree in his living room. The Jewish identity of the children, if it is the mother that is the Jew, is tenuous, and the grandchildren simply no longer identify as Jews. And of course, if it is the the father who is the Jew, none of the children are Jews. The line is lost to the people of Israel.

In the identical way, conversion to Christianity destroys that connection to Torah. In every way, the Jew loses that culture which makes the Jews a People. The odds of intermarriage are sky high, as they will now be looking for marriage partners among Christians. The odds that their grandchildren will identify as Jews are devastatingly low. Again, their line becomes lost to the People of Israel.

The effect on the Jewish people is the same as if they had died.

 

[Open Heart]

the Lutherans maybe wouldn't like the Jewish Christian's kosher kasserole, thinking it ethnic and weird

and a Jew might see a Christmas tree in a Reformation era German Christian home (while living in Christian Germany, not Eretz Israel)
and feel butthurt about it somehow
and that is the Germans/Christians fault

and so
Jews in Jesus should have a rabbi (that isn't really a Rabbi) over them that will teach them Oral Torah/Traditions that Jesus criticized
otherwise, it is potentially their genocide and Jewish death

and in the Hebrew Bible, it talks in much detail about Eve, and Eve's daughter, and her daughter, and her daughter, and her daughter
all the way down to King David (proving his Jewishness) and eventually this unbroken chain of females will produce the Messiah

is this really yr reasoning?

Christmas tree - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your text shows that you are not trying to understand what I say.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Jesus said a lot of things and failed.

Examples please.

 

[Jewjitzu]

Examples please.

Start with his "resurrection". It never happened. His ossuary was found in Talpiot.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Start with his "resurrection". It never happened. His ossuary was found in Talpiot.

His ressurection was proven by many witnesses. You have been hoodwinked. Repent!!! Next example.

 

[Jewjitzu]

His ressurection was proven by many witnesses. You have been hoodwinked. Repent!!! Next example.

His bones and ossuary were found in Talpiot.

 

[Arch Stanton]

His bones and ossuary were found in Talpiot.

How do you know the bones were Jesus' bones?