Towerwatchman
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Thus says TWM the Trinitarian and HIS opponent 101G the anti-Trinitarian we will discuss this later.
why try to put words in my mouth, when did I say I'm anti-Trinitarian? find that post.Thus says TWM the Trinitarian and HIS opponent 101G the anti-Trinitarian we will discuss this later.
How can Jesus’ blood be God’s blood? Simple Jesus is God.
Three centers of consciousness within one being would be a total of four nouns.
Tell us, who was the Logos before the incarnation?
Can you clearly document where it says the Logos was Jesus before the Word became flesh?Tell us, who was the Logos before the incarnation?
But you can not clearly document that Jesus was the Word before the Word became flesh.Thus Jesus Christ is The Word.
Why do you keep listing John 17:5 when has been explained to you many times since he was on earth and was known as Jesus he could not have said I the Word was with you before creation began and he now has to speak in the present tense and say I was with you before creation began? The fact is you will never be able to clearly document there was a Son of God before the Word became flesh and instead you all have to make a scripture say something it does not. I am still waiting for concrete documentation of there being a Son of God before the Word became flesh?The Word was/is God and was with God so the Word is not the Father. The Son declares He was together with the Father before creation in John 17:5. So it was the Son(the Word) who became flesh and was known by His human name Jesus. Its the same Person in John 1:14 and John 1:1. Jesus Person is Divine hence He is known as God manifest in the flesh ie the Incarnation.
Like all CULTISTS you like to isolate a verse from its context to form your heretical teachings.
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Do you mean Jesus Christ The Son of God OR Jesus Christ The Man???But you can not clearly document that Jesus was the Word before the Word became flesh.
WHO was WITH The Father sharing ALL glory BEFORE the world was?????Why do you keep listing John 17:5 when has been explained to you many times since he was on earth and was known as Jesus he could not have said I the Word was with you before creation began and he now has to speak in the present tense and say I was with you before creation began? The fact is you will never be able to clearly document there was a Son of God before the Word became flesh and instead you all have to make a scripture say something it does not. I am still waiting for concrete documentation of there being a Son of God before the Word became flesh?
Plus you are saying Jesus was there before the Word became flesh and the Word was there too. You can not have the Word and Jesus there before the Word became flesh and then the Word becomes flesh and you then have Jesus. Jesus as the Word as you are trying to say can not become Jesus too.
Notice the hypocrisy and duplicity.why try to put words in my mouth, when did I say I'm anti-Trinitarian? find that post.
PICJAG, 101G.
The fourth noun would be the 'being'. Notice a square is made of four lines. So when we describe a square as four lines we are using five nouns.I too believe Jesus is God!
But can you clarify your Trinitarian view since you said this before...
So...
Which noun is the word God in your QUESTION above?
1) first center of consciousness
2) second center of consciousness
3) third center of consciousness
4) one being
5) divine nature
6) other, please explain
Which noun is the word God in your ANSWER above?
The polite thing would be to answer my question before you ask yours.Can you clearly document where it says the Logos was Jesus before the Word became flesh?
Ignorance will not get you anywhere. YHWH is JESUS. the Lord of Host.Notice the hypocrisy and duplicity.
You are upset because I posted the following.
"Thus says TWM the Trinitarian and HIS opponent 101G the anti-Trinitarian we will discuss this later."
Why would you conclude that I am writing about you in the following? Is it because of "His"
"His" =belonging to or associated with a male person or animal previously mentioned or easily identified.
Are you concluding that 101G is associated with the person previously mentioned TWM, thus establishing two individuals?
Then be consistent.
“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me, there is no God."
"YHWH The Lord of Host" is associated with the person previously mentioned "YHWH The King of Israel", thus establishing two individuals.
Concrete evidence you have been given. Seems what you want is direct evidence that Jesus is the Logos. A verse that states explicitly “Jesus is the Logos”. So let’s handle this as it would be handled in the highest arena of truth. = A Court of Law.Why do you keep listing John 17:5 when has been explained to you many times since he was on earth and was known as Jesus he could not have said I the Word was with you before creation began and he now has to speak in the present tense and say I was with you before creation began? The fact is you will never be able to clearly document there was a Son of God before the Word became flesh and instead you all have to make a scripture say something it does not. I am still waiting for concrete documentation of there being a Son of God before the Word became flesh?
Plus you are saying Jesus was there before the Word became flesh and the Word was there too. You can not have the Word and Jesus there before the Word became flesh and then the Word becomes flesh and you then have Jesus. Jesus as the Word as you are trying to say can not become Jesus too.
So you have a motto, And????? How does that apply to "His" in Isa 44:6?Ignorance will not get you anywhere. YHWH is JESUS. the Lord of Host.
and as for this subject, it is closed for me I know who the "his" is in the verse, so argue with yourself,
2 Timothy 2:16 "But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."
please READ my motto below...
PICJAG, 101G.
The fourth noun would be the 'being'. Notice a square is made of four lines. So when we describe a square as four lines we are using five nouns.
meaning don't be ignorant when knowledge is available. and right here in, Genesis 1:1 that is knowledge to Isaiah 44:6 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."So you have a motto, And????? How does that apply to "His" in Isa 44:6?
Exactly all you have is circumstantial evidence and I am talking about direct evidence that we know does not exist that there was a Son of God before the Word became flesh. Just say you are only able to present circumstantial evidence for there being a Son of God before the Word became flesh and do not say I have been given concrete evidence like you said above.Concrete evidence you have been given. Seems what you want is direct evidence that Jesus is the Logos. A verse that states explicitly “Jesus is the Logos”. So let’s handle this as it would be handled in the highest arena of truth. = A Court of Law.
The following might help.
Evidence typically falls into two broad categories. Direct evidence is evidence that can prove something all by itself. On the other hand, circumstantial evidence, also known as indirect evidence, does not prove something on its own but points us in the right direction by proving something related to the question at hand.
Jurors are instructed to make no qualitative distinction between direct and circumstantial evidence in a case. Judges tell jurors, “Both direct and circumstantial evidence are acceptable types of evidence to prove or disprove the elements of a charge, including intent and mental state and acts necessary to a conviction, and neither is necessarily more reliable than the other. Neither is entitled to greater weight than the other.”
The nature of circumstantial evidence is such that any one piece of evidence may be interpreted in more than one way. For this reason, jurors have to be careful not to infer something from a single piece of evidence. Circumstantial evidence usually accumulates into a powerful collection, however, and each additional piece collaborates those that came before until, together, they strongly support one inference over another. An explanation derived from circumstantial evidence becomes more reasonable as the collection of corroborating evidence grows and the alternative explanation has been deemed unreasonable. [Cold Case Christianity]
The Scriptural evidence that Jesus is the Logos is circumstantial, but internally the verses do not disagree with each other but support each other, and as more and more are accumulated builds a powerful collection of scripture that points to only one conclusion. = Jesus is the Logos in John 1:1.
In a Court of Law, it would be reasonable to conclude beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus is the Logos in John 1:1.
Hint. It is poor scholarship to keep asking for evidence that you know does not exist. {Explicit} And it is dishonest scholarship to keep ignoring evidence that satisfies your requirements. [Circumstantial]
God Bless
TWM
It was not Jesus or God would clearly have let us know there was a Jesus before the Word became flesh.The polite thing would be to answer my question before you ask yours.
So therefore, tell us, who was the Logos before the incarnation?
The Word because the Word became flesh and only then is there a documented Jesus.WHO was WITH The Father sharing ALL glory BEFORE the world was?????
Does the second mention of the word "God" in John 1:1 refer to the same PERSON?
John 1:1... In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Yes.
But The first mention of God in this passage refers to ANOTHER Person.
Error. NOT the same Person.