I'm going to go with Rev 1:1-2 -- John was told to testify to everything that he saw. Rev 10:1 is what he saw.
I am glad you are going with what John said... Now don't put your dispensational glasses on yet... And put that Dispy template in your pocket. Now read... EMPHASIS MINE...
Chapter 1
1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what MUST HAPPEN VERY SOON. He made it clear by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who then testified to everything that he saw concerning the word of God and the testimony about Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy aloud, and blessed are those who hear and obey the things written in it, BECAUSE THE TIME IS NEAR!
Chapter 22
6 Then the angel said to me, “These words are reliable and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants WHAT MUST HAPPEN SOON.”
7 Look! I AM COMING SOON!
Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy expressed in this book.)
8 I, John, AM the ONE WHO HEARD and SAW these things, and when I heard and saw them, I threw myself down to worship at the feet of the angel who was showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Do not do this! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets, and with those who obey the words of this book. Worship God!” 10 Then he said to me, “DO NOT SEAL the WORDS of the PROPHECY contained in this book, because the time is near. 11 The evildoer must continue to do evil, and the one who is morally filthy must continue to be filthy. The[ one who is righteous must continue to act righteously, and the one who is holy must continue to be holy.”
12 Look! I AM COMING SOON,
LOL's ROFL can't wait to see how you define COMING SOON, HAPPEN SOON, TIME IS NEAR, and VERY SOON....
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LOL? ROFL?I am glad you are going with what John said... Now don't put your dispensational glasses on yet... And put that Dispy template in your pocket. Now read... EMPHASIS MINE...
Chapter 1
1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what MUST HAPPEN VERY SOON. He made it clear by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who then testified to everything that he saw concerning the word of God and the testimony about Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy aloud, and blessed are those who hear and obey the things written in it, BECAUSE THE TIME IS NEAR!
Chapter 22
6 Then the angel said to me, “These words are reliable and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants WHAT MUST HAPPEN SOON.”
7 Look! I AM COMING SOON!
Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy expressed in this book.)
8 I, John, AM the ONE WHO HEARD and SAW these things, and when I heard and saw them, I threw myself down to worship at the feet of the angel who was showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Do not do this! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets, and with those who obey the words of this book. Worship God!” 10 Then he said to me, “DO NOT SEAL the WORDS of the PROPHECY contained in this book, because the time is near. 11 The evildoer must continue to do evil, and the one who is morally filthy must continue to be filthy. The[ one who is righteous must continue to act righteously, and the one who is holy must continue to be holy.”
12 Look! I AM COMING SOON,
LOL's ROFL can't wait to see how you define COMING SOON, HAPPEN SOON, TIME IS NEAR, and VERY SOON....
You're obfuscating..., again.What do we have?
Revelation 1:1b-2aby sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who then testified to everything that he saw
John, with an angel, seeing. And what he saw, he testified to. Everything.
John saw and then he testified to what he saw.
You're obfuscating with your boring charges.You're obfuscating..., again.
What difference does this make? He saw. He wrote what he saw. Did God move him forward in time to see the actual events or show him a vision of exactly what was to come? Or did he show him a movie reel of what was planned? Doesn't matter. What matters is it wasn't some fairy tale open to humans unpacking hidden meanings. He was told to write what he saw. I believe he wrote what he saw. When he didn't have words for what he saw, he did the best he could.Im sure John saw what he described... but seeing something can be taken in differing ways. Did the apostle see a literal actual angel... or did he see a vision where these things were shown him?
Who cares. It is what John saw. He didn't use the word "cloud" as a Mission Impossible code word for bored Reformists.Was the angel clothed with an actual cloud made of H2O? Did he have an actual rainbow on his head made of light shining through water vapor, perhaps rain? Was His feet actual pillars of fire?
As literal as John made it.How literal you going to make this?
I know you're trying to obfuscate the point. I know you're using debate tactics to diminish the opposing view. I know you're trying to get in my head to usurp some fake superiority you think you have.You know what I'm asking, so knock off the antics and let's get to the point. ?
tyfytYou're obfuscating with your boring charges.
What difference does this make? He saw. He wrote what he saw. Did God move him forward in time to see the actual events or show him a vision of exactly what was to come? Or did he show him a movie reel of what was planned? Doesn't matter. What matters is it wasn't some fairy tale open to humans unpacking hidden meanings. He was told to write what he saw. I believe he wrote what he saw. When he didn't have words for what he saw, he did the best he could.
Who cares. It is what John saw. He didn't use the word "cloud" as a Mission Impossible code word for bored Reformists.
As literal as John made it.
I know you're trying to obfuscate the point. I know you're using debate tactics to diminish the opposing view. I know you're trying to get in my head to usurp some fake superiority you think you have.
I wrote what I wrote and what u believe. Deal with it. John wrote what he saw to the best of his ability. No code words, Captain.
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Maybe SOON to God has A different concept. Maybe Peter told us what it meant.
2 Peter 3:8Now, dear friends, do not let this one thing escape your notice, that a single day is like a thousand years with the Lord and a thousand years are like a single day.
I would laugh but your arrogance is too sad. All you want is to win. It's like a man who plays chess: one goal. To win and be the best. It clouds all other judgement.
Makes you wonder what John actually saw, doesn't it? ...if you're not a literalist.And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
Revelation 10:1 KJV