Jewjitzu
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The text doesn't say Jacob wrestled with God. He wrestled with a man. The text also doesn't say God became a man. The text also doesn't say God is meek, etc.Because, you couldn't care less about what the text actually says. You only care about defending your dogma.
Well if that's the case, you're not limited by Tanakh because it doesn't teach what the NT does, frankly.Hello? Everyone is limited to what they consider authoritative. I'm simply not as limited as you are. Therefore, your continued pressure to adhere to your limitations while justifying my theology is frankly just silly.
Define person and being, DOGB, using terms that Tanakh uses to refer to God. You've had ample opportunity but can't or won't. We both really know why you won't.
Rome was going to do it anyway. That's how that dealt with wannabes.Yes, Rome gave the orders to appease the Jews calling for Jesus' execution. Which is why I said "who had Rome execute Jesus". If the Jews executed Jesus personally, they would have likely just stoned him. But for some reason, the Sanhedrin choose to let Rome do it. And, Rome obliged to keep the peace.
No Sanhedrin nor entire population mentioned, right? Read up on the historical Pilate.BTW, the account before Pilate went like this:
Pilate said to them, “Then what shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?” They all said, “Let him be crucified!” And he said, “Why? What evil has he done?” But they shouted all the more,“Let him be crucified!” So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying, “I am innocent of this man’s blood; see to it yourselves.” And all the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!” Matthew 27:22-25.
We don't know if this was a testimony or not.This is the testimony from the first century. Again, my description is far, far more accurate that yours.
So, Jerusalem wasn't saved nor delivered by Jesus.Yes, with respect to the fall of the first temple, the faithful returned after being delivered from the sword and surviving the exile. With respect to the second temple, those Jews who stayed in Jerusalem in 70 ad were killed to the person. The Christians all fled recognizing Jesus' prophecy of the fall of Jerusalem found in Matthew 24. The Christians, mainly made up of Jews in first century Jerusalem, were delivered.
Rotfl... yup, two different anointed, not one. The Talmud also says Jesus isn't who you think he is.Are you that ignorant historic Jewish thought on the Messiah? Wow, go do some reading in the Talmud sometime.
But my point was find where is it said the same Messiah is killed, and comes a 2nd time?
Rotfl... your own NT says Jesus needing saving. You can see from Luke 2:52 that Jesus grew in favor, grace, with God. Grace is undeserved favor granted to sinners.Why don't you quote the passage and see how the Messiah is saved by God?
You can also look at Hebrew 5:7, were Jesus is saved and he offers prayers of a penitent, prosenekas.
Ezekiel 45:22
On that day the prince shall provide a bull as a sin offering for himself and for all the people of the land.
The Messiah, anointed, the king, isn't sinless. Read Deut 17:14-20 which wasn't fulfilled by Jesus since he never reigned. Someone who has to learn to fear God and learn to carefully keep the law isn't perfect.
Shall I get you a box of tissue ??Oh yeah, you don't like reading, quoting or dealing with Scripture at all. Scripture is just some fancy thing that is placed in the place of honor in your synagogues. At least there are other Jews who care what Scripture says.
He sure does.God Bless
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