Jesus' pre-existence before he was born as a human
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johnny guitar
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John 1:2-3; 1:10; Col. 1:15-16; Hebrews 1:10 refute your heretical assertion.
Tanachreader
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The word “holy” being used on mundane, trivial, or profane things is disrespectful.
Exalt Yahweh our God And worship at the footstool of His feet; Holy is He.
No you haven't.
Tanachreader
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You haven’t.
Funny how you use singular pronouns here.
That happens all the time with you guys because subconsciously you all know your Trinity doctrine is unbiblical, polytheism, and idolatry.
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Are you on something? Why not lay off the shrooms? (and by that I mean the fungus).
Just admit you made a mistake and we'll move on. It happens to all of us.
The word in John 1:1-3, 14 is not a sentient being. It is God's will, plan, blueprint, or purposes. Jesus Christ did not preexist his conception except in God's plan.Nathan said:
Michael did not become a human then switch back again. That kind of thing has never happened. Jesus Christ began his existence as a man, and is still a man, albeit a glorified, highly exalted man, second in command over the universe.
The Son is God in form of a Man. He is indivisible. He is the firstborn over all as being part of New Creation.
Firstborn over all creation - is speaking of a New Creation and not of being The Creator.
He is the Creator Who took part of His own creation as being The Firstborn.
First - BORN!
His Assembly follows Him in New Creation:
Heb 1:6 And when He again brings the first-born into the world, He says, “Let all the messengers of Elohim do reverence to Him.”
Heb 12:23 to the entire gathering and assembly of the first-born having been enrolled in heaven, and to Elohim the Judge of all, and to the spirits of righteous men made perfect,
The Son of God didn't become a Man but rather The Son of God is Man from the New Creation in Whom His elect are transformed from old to new creation.
But first we must define Who is the MONOGENES SON.
All of Christendom don't understand by how The Son was Begotten.
God is utter transcendent (beyond space, matter and time). But then His creatures have no access to Him. He can't be seen nor heard. He would have been a mystery had He not become part of His own creation (in space, matter and time).
Everyone assumes here that God is accessible. If they think thus, they are miserable creature with no knowledge of God whatsoever and are in path of destruction.
The Son of God proceeded forth from the innermost Being of God bearing the image of His substance. That's why His birth had to be unique which never happened before. He bore the DNA of His Father being born of water and blood (elements of the womb). That's why The Virgin was chosen for His Birth.
Even Israel as corporate body was considered the unfaithful wife of Yahuah Elohim. Yahuah sent her away with the certificate of divorce and dispersed her until she was purified to be a chaste virgin bethroed to Messiah.
Rev 12 speaks of the same woman Israel giving birth to the Male Child.
The Male Child purified the Woman as The Woman is saved by Him in her bearing.
It's The same Son of God Who reveals The Father (Transcendent) without Whom all creatures would have been in hopeless situation.
The Father is the Sending source and The Son is the Receiving End - The First and The Last.
The Father and The Son are not two different Persons but two distinct realms - Transcendent and Immanent creation. Neither are Father and Son Names of God Persons.
What Unitarians and Trinitarians fail to understand that The Father and The Son are titles of the same God in two distinct realms - Beyond all Creation and within Creation.
If there is no Receiving End then we are most miserable people just as there would not be a sending end.
No creature has any access to the transcendent God but only The Monogenes Son has because He came from the very Being of God.
Many people don't understand the simplicity of Yahusha Messiah.
By bearing the very image of the invisible God, He is equal WITH God because He is not different from the nature of the Transcendent God. In Him the will of God is executed and fulfilled.
1Tim 6:
14 that you guard the command b spotlessly, blamelessly, until the appearing of our Master יהושע Messiah,
15 which in His own seasons He shall reveal – the blessed and only Ruler, the Sovereign of sovereigns and Master of masters,
16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or is able to see, to whom be respect and everlasting might. Amĕn.
johnny guitar
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ALL creation, BOTH old and new.
Firstborn relates to new creation and not of old creation.
God no doubt is the auth wor of both old and new creation. The old creation is temporal and will be destroyed on the last day. But Yahusha is the beginning of the New Creation and that's the hope for His elect.
You are mixing apples with oranges. I never said Yahusha Messiah is not God. God is beyond space, matter and time. Yet He had to enter space, matter and time being The Firstborn of all those who will be transformed in Him.
No I have refuted your interpretation of them many times.
Tanachreader
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It is true Jesus created nothing with His Father then they put everything into it!
16 For everything was created by him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and by him all things hold together
johnny guitar
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The subject is Jesus Christ.
It is talking about who he is an image of correct?
johnny guitar
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Yep, and it's talking about Jesus creating ALL things.