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[Reformedguy]

What part of the text does not say do you not understand

What part of you do not ignore plain texts of scripture to speculate on what it does not say do you not understand?

Ezekiel 18:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Ezekiel 18:1–4 (ESV) — 1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’? 3 As I live, declares the Lord GOD, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) — 16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Kings 14:6 (ESV) — 6 But he did not put to death the children of the murderers, according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. But each one shall die for his own sin.”

2 Chronicles 25:4 (ESV) — 4 But he did not put their children to death, according to what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not die because of their children, nor children die because of their fathers, but each one shall die for his own sin.”

You constantly reject what the scriptures say to speculate about what scripture does not say

Nowhere does the text state the infants were guilty of the crimes of thei parents

Nowhere does it say the infant were punished for the sins of their fathers

rather than believe what the scriptures state you he look for reasons to disbelieve

Post ignored.

Tom has failed to do deal with 1 Samuel 15 where innocent children are killed for another's transgression.

Big font is not a arguement. Big font is a lame attempt at distraction.

 

[fltom]

Post ignored.

Tom has failed to do deal with 1 Samuel 15 where innocent children are killed for another's transgression.

Big font is not a arguement. Big font is a lame attempt at distraction.

Reformedguys bear false witness yet again

What part of the text does not say do you not understand

What part of you do not ignore plain texts of scripture to speculate on what it does not say do you not understand?

Ezekiel 18:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Ezekiel 18:1–4 (ESV) — 1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’? 3 As I live, declares the Lord GOD, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) — 16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Kings 14:6 (ESV) — 6 But he did not put to death the children of the murderers, according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. But each one shall die for his own sin.”

2 Chronicles 25:4 (ESV) — 4 But he did not put their children to death, according to what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not die because of their children, nor children die because of their fathers, but each one shall die for his own sin.”

You constantly reject what the scriptures say to speculate about what scripture does not say

Nowhere does the text state the infants were guilty of the crimes of their parents

Nowhere does it say the infant were punished for the sins of their fathers

rather than believe what the scriptures state you he look for reasons to disbelieve

Notice how he does not deal with the highlighted facts and that after he ignores the scriptures which refute his view,

Why is it he must continually ignore what scripture does state to speculate on what scripture does not say?

Is it not because his doctrine is unbiblical and he is just seeking to support it regardless of truth

 

[Reformedguy]

Reformedguys bear false witness yet again


Notice how he does not deal with the highlighted facts and that after he ignores the scriptures which refute his view,

Why is it he must continually ignore what scripture does state to speculate on what scripture does not say?

Is it not because his doctrine is unbiblical and he is just seeking to support it regardless of truth

Notice our resident Pelagian refuses to deal with 1 Samuel 15 and until he does he stands refuted.

Also, this question is he has not addressed and won't.

Do you agree with Pelagius and the Provisionist that infants are born in a innocent state?

 

[fltom]

Notice our resident Pelagian refuses to deal with 1 Samuel 15 and until he does he stands refuted.

Also, this question is he has not addressed and won't.

Do you agree with Pelagius and the Provisionist that infants are born in an innocent state?

Edit

It has been noted multiple times nothing in the passage states the infants were being punished for the sins of the parents.

Typical reformedguy adding to texts while ignoring texts contrary to his view

What part of the text does not say do you not understand

What part of you do not ignore plain texts of scripture to speculate on what it does not say do you not understand?

Ezekiel 18:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Ezekiel 18:1–4 (ESV) — 1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’? 3 As I live, declares the Lord GOD, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) — 16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Kings 14:6 (ESV) — 6 But he did not put to death the children of the murderers, according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. But each one shall die for his own sin.”

2 Chronicles 25:4 (ESV) — 4 But he did not put their children to death, according to what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not die because of their children, nor children die because of their fathers, but each one shall die for his own sin.”

You constantly reject what the scriptures say to speculate about what scripture does not say

Nowhere does the text state the infants were guilty of the crimes of their parents

Nowhere does it say the infant were punished for the sins of their fathers

rather than believe what the scriptures state you he look for reasons to disbelieve

 

[Reformedguy]

Still lying?

It has been noted multiple times nothing in the passage states the infants were being punished for the sins of the parents.

Typical reformedguy adding to texts while ignoring texts contrary to his view

What part of the text does not say do you not understand

What part of you do not ignore plain texts of scripture to speculate on what it does not say do you not understand?

Ezekiel 18:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Ezekiel 18:1–4 (ESV) — 1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’? 3 As I live, declares the Lord GOD, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) — 16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Kings 14:6 (ESV) — 6 But he did not put to death the children of the murderers, according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. But each one shall die for his own sin.”

2 Chronicles 25:4 (ESV) — 4 But he did not put their children to death, according to what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not die because of their children, nor children die because of their fathers, but each one shall die for his own sin.”

You constantly reject what the scriptures say to speculate about what scripture does not say

Nowhere does the text state the infants were guilty of the crimes of their parents

Nowhere does it say the infant were punished for the sins of their fathers

rather than believe what the scriptures state you he look for reasons to disbelieve

Notice Tom does not address the text specifically. He prefers to proof text ripping them out of context.

For the lurkers, read 1 Samuel 15: 1-4. Why were infants to be killed?

 

[fltom]

Notice Tom does not address the text specifically. He prefers to proof text ripping them out of context.

For the lurkers, read 1 Samuel 15: 1-4. Why were infants to be killed?

EDIT PER MOD

He ignores the fact that the passage in context does not state what he needs

viz


It has been noted multiple times nothing in the passage states the infants were being punished for the sins of the parents.

Typically Reformedguy adds to texts while ignoring texts contrary to his view

What part of the text does not say do you not understand

What part of you do not ignore plain texts of scripture to speculate on what it does not say do you not understand?

Ezekiel 18:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Ezekiel 18:1–4 (ESV) — 1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’? 3 As I live, declares the Lord GOD, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) — 16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Kings 14:6 (ESV) — 6 But he did not put to death the children of the murderers, according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. But each one shall die for his own sin.”

2 Chronicles 25:4 (ESV) — 4 But he did not put their children to death, according to what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not die because of their children, nor children die because of their fathers, but each one shall die for his own sin.”

You constantly reject what the scriptures say to speculate about what scripture does not say

Nowhere does the text state the infants were guilty of the crimes of their parents

Nowhere does it say the infant were punished for the sins of their fathers

rather than believe what the scriptures state reformedguy looks for reasons to disbelieve

 

[Reformedguy]

Reformedguy continues his lie

He ignores the fact that the passage in context does not state what he needs

viz


It has been noted multiple times nothing in the passage states the infants were being punished for the sins of the parents.

Typically Reformedguy adds to texts while ignoring texts contrary to his view

What part of the text does not say do you not understand

What part of you do not ignore plain texts of scripture to speculate on what it does not say do you not understand?

Ezekiel 18:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Ezekiel 18:1–4 (ESV) — 1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’? 3 As I live, declares the Lord GOD, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) — 16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Kings 14:6 (ESV) — 6 But he did not put to death the children of the murderers, according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. But each one shall die for his own sin.”

2 Chronicles 25:4 (ESV) — 4 But he did not put their children to death, according to what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not die because of their children, nor children die because of their fathers, but each one shall die for his own sin.”

You constantly reject what the scriptures say to speculate about what scripture does not say

Nowhere does the text state the infants were guilty of the crimes of their parents

Nowhere does it say the infant were punished for the sins of their fathers

rather than believe what the scriptures state reformedguy looks for reasons to disbelieve

Still not dealing with the text all the while question begging and proof texting.

1 Samuel 15. Let me know when your ready.

 

[Sketo]

This is a Provisionist Statment:

THE SINFULNESS OF MAN​

"We affirm that, because of the fall of Adam, every person inherits a nature and environment inclined toward sin and that every person who is capable of moral action will sin."

As you can see God has determined that ALL "will sin" before the end.

Making God the "Redeemer of his own determination".

...

 

[Reformedguy]

This is a Provisionist Statment:

THE SINFULNESS OF MAN​

"We affirm that, because of the fall of Adam, every person inherits a nature and environment inclined toward sin and that every person who is capable of moral action will sin."

As you can see God has determined that ALL "will sin" before the end.

Making God the "Redeemer of his own determination".

...

Lol, good catch.

 

[fltom]

Still not dealing with the text all the while question begging and proof texting.

1 Samuel 15. Let me know when your ready.

There is nothing to deal with

The text does not state infants are being punished and you have to ignore these

He ignores the fact that the passage in context does not state what he needs

viz


It has been noted multiple times nothing in the passage states the infants were being punished for the sins of the parents.

Typically Reformedguy adds to texts while ignoring texts contrary to his view

What part of the text does not say do you not understand

What part of you do not ignore plain texts of scripture to speculate on what it does not say do you not understand?

Ezekiel 18:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Ezekiel 18:1–4 (ESV) — 1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’? 3 As I live, declares the Lord GOD, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) — 16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Kings 14:6 (ESV) — 6 But he did not put to death the children of the murderers, according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. But each one shall die for his own sin.”

2 Chronicles 25:4 (ESV) — 4 But he did not put their children to death, according to what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not die because of their children, nor children die because of their fathers, but each one shall die for his own sin.”

You constantly reject what the scriptures say to speculate about what scripture does not say

Nowhere does the text state the infants were guilty of the crimes of their parents

Nowhere does it say the infant were punished for the sins of their fathers

rather than believe what the scriptures state reformedguy looks for reasons to disbelieve

 

[Reformedguy]

There is nothing to deal with

The text does not state infants are being punished and you have to ignore these

He ignores the fact that the passage in context does not state what he needs

viz


It has been noted multiple times nothing in the passage states the infants were being punished for the sins of the parents.

Typically Reformedguy adds to texts while ignoring texts contrary to his view

What part of the text does not say do you not understand

What part of you do not ignore plain texts of scripture to speculate on what it does not say do you not understand?

Ezekiel 18:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Ezekiel 18:1–4 (ESV) — 1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’? 3 As I live, declares the Lord GOD, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) — 16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Kings 14:6 (ESV) — 6 But he did not put to death the children of the murderers, according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. But each one shall die for his own sin.”

2 Chronicles 25:4 (ESV) — 4 But he did not put their children to death, according to what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not die because of their children, nor children die because of their fathers, but each one shall die for his own sin.”

You constantly reject what the scriptures say to speculate about what scripture does not say

Nowhere does the text state the infants were guilty of the crimes of their parents

Nowhere does it say the infant were punished for the sins of their fathers

rather than believe what the scriptures state reformedguy looks for reasons to disbelieve

Let me know when your ready to deal with 1 Samuel 15 and your God ordering the killing of innocent infants.

 

[fltom]

Let me know when your ready to deal with 1 Samuel 15 and your God ordering the killing of innocent infants.

Still nothing to deal wiith

There is nothing to deal with

The text does not state infants are being punished and you have to ignore these

He ignores the fact that the passage in context does not state what he needs

viz


It has been noted multiple times nothing in the passage states the infants were being punished for the sins of the parents.

Typically Reformedguy adds to texts while ignoring texts contrary to his view

What part of the text does not say do you not understand

What part of you do not ignore plain texts of scripture to speculate on what it does not say do you not understand?

Ezekiel 18:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Ezekiel 18:1–4 (ESV) — 1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’? 3 As I live, declares the Lord GOD, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) — 16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Kings 14:6 (ESV) — 6 But he did not put to death the children of the murderers, according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. But each one shall die for his own sin.”

2 Chronicles 25:4 (ESV) — 4 But he did not put their children to death, according to what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not die because of their children, nor children die because of their fathers, but each one shall die for his own sin.”

You constantly reject what the scriptures say to speculate about what scripture does not say

Nowhere does the text state the infants were guilty of the crimes of their parents

Nowhere does it say the infant were punished for the sins of their fathers

rather than believe what the scriptures state reformedguy looks for reasons to disbelieve

 

[Reformedguy]

Still nothing to deal wiith

There is nothing to deal with

The text does not state infants are being punished and you have to ignore these

He ignores the fact that the passage in context does not state what he needs

viz


It has been noted multiple times nothing in the passage states the infants were being punished for the sins of the parents.

Typically Reformedguy adds to texts while ignoring texts contrary to his view

What part of the text does not say do you not understand

What part of you do not ignore plain texts of scripture to speculate on what it does not say do you not understand?

Ezekiel 18:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Ezekiel 18:1–4 (ESV) — 1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’? 3 As I live, declares the Lord GOD, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) — 16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Kings 14:6 (ESV) — 6 But he did not put to death the children of the murderers, according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. But each one shall die for his own sin.”

2 Chronicles 25:4 (ESV) — 4 But he did not put their children to death, according to what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not die because of their children, nor children die because of their fathers, but each one shall die for his own sin.”

You constantly reject what the scriptures say to speculate about what scripture does not say

Nowhere does the text state the infants were guilty of the crimes of their parents

Nowhere does it say the infant were punished for the sins of their fathers

rather than believe what the scriptures state reformedguy looks for reasons to disbelieve

Lurkers, you see any mention of the relevant text? We will keep asking.

Let me know when your ready to deal with 1 Samuel 15 and your god ordering the murder of your innocent infants.

 

[fltom]

Lurkers, you see any mention of the relevant text? We will keep asking.

Let me know when your ready to deal with 1 Samuel 15 and your god ordering the murder of your innocent infants.

  - ? “Every Person Capable Of Moral Action WILL Sin”

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