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… Ask rather what your country can do to Donald Trump!"?"
 
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David Brooks had an interesting article in the NYT today based on Fareek Zakaria's new book.

I’m one of those people who subscribes to the Austrian psychiatrist Viktor Frankl’s doctrine: “Man’s search for meaning is the primary motivation in his life.” To feel at home in the world, people need to see themselves serving some good — doing important work, loving others well, living within coherent moral communities, striving on behalf of some set of ideals.

The great liberal societies that Zakaria describes expanded and celebrated individual choice and individual freedom. But when liberalism thrived, that personal freedom lay upon a foundation of commitments and moral obligations that precede choice: our obligations to our families, to our communities and nations, to our ancestors and descendants, to God or some set of transcendent truths.

Over the past few generations, the celebration of individual freedom has overspilled its banks and begun to erode the underlying set of civic obligations.
Brooks, a conservative, offers a defense of liberalism, pointing out that what is damaging to our society right now is an overemphasis on individual freedoms without a concomitant recognition that with freedom comes responsibility and obligations to the society in which that individual lives.
 
David Brooks had an interesting article in the NYT today based on Fareek Zakaria's new book.


Brooks, a conservative, offers a defense of liberalism, pointing out that what is damaging to our society right now is an overemphasis on individual freedoms without a concomitant recognition that with freedom comes responsibility and obligations to the society in which that individual lives.
What is going on with this P Diddy Democrat guy?
•P. Diddy Was a “SNITCH” Working for the FBI as a Confidential Informant — Behind the Scenes PANIC!

THE FEDERAL CASE against Diddy is Expanding, Big Time!• Prosecutors are dishing out subpoenas left and right.— cell phone companies — computer companies— Diddy’s charter jets— other music artists and major record label CEO’s & executives — Commercial airline companies— possibly even the FAA • Diddy has been unloading his assets— sold off his stake at Revolt TV— returning music rights from Bad Boy records

Diddy’s former Body guard says he’d go on the stand to testify against him—— “I’m not gonna sit there and wait in jail for him… nah, I wouldn’t do that.”• Lio Rod alleged Diddy was the one who pulled the trigger in the NYC nightclub in 1999. The shooting his prodigy Shine took the fall for…—— the woman shot in the face, is now speaking out!

DIDDY’s INNER CIRCLE IS BEING SQUEEZED• His drug and trafficking mule has been arrested • His girlfriend, Young Miami, who transported his pink cocaine onboard his private jets is feeling the heat

P. DIDDY IS AN FBI CONFIDENTIAL INFORMANT • Diddy has been dodging the legal system for years• P. Diddy’s former bodyguard JUST came out and said he was a (CI) — it’s been documented him taking paperwork up to the FBI

A WARNING FROM SUGE NIGHT• Suge Knight is warning warning the “Brother Love” handle won’t fly in prison“I tell you what Puffy.. your life is in danger. Cause you know the secrets, who’s involved in that little secret room you guys participating in. So you know they gonna get you if they can.”

FORMER FED INVESTIGATOR WEIGHS IN• The DHS invading his home and not the FBI raiding his home is significant, because that means it’s international. • The walls are closing in. A lot of people from his inner circle has turned on him.
 
David Brooks had an interesting article in the NYT today based on Fareek Zakaria's new book.


Brooks, a conservative, offers a defense of liberalism, pointing out that what is damaging to our society right now is an overemphasis on individual freedoms without a concomitant recognition that with freedom comes responsibility and obligations to the society in which that individual lives.
You havent shown that you know what a conservative is
 
What is going on with this P Diddy Democrat guy?
•P. Diddy Was a “SNITCH” Working for the FBI as a Confidential Informant — Behind the Scenes PANIC!

THE FEDERAL CASE against Diddy is Expanding, Big Time!• Prosecutors are dishing out subpoenas left and right.— cell phone companies — computer companies— Diddy’s charter jets— other music artists and major record label CEO’s & executives — Commercial airline companies— possibly even the FAA • Diddy has been unloading his assets— sold off his stake at Revolt TV— returning music rights from Bad Boy records

Diddy’s former Body guard says he’d go on the stand to testify against him—— “I’m not gonna sit there and wait in jail for him… nah, I wouldn’t do that.”• Lio Rod alleged Diddy was the one who pulled the trigger in the NYC nightclub in 1999. The shooting his prodigy Shine took the fall for…—— the woman shot in the face, is now speaking out!

DIDDY’s INNER CIRCLE IS BEING SQUEEZED• His drug and trafficking mule has been arrested • His girlfriend, Young Miami, who transported his pink cocaine onboard his private jets is feeling the heat

P. DIDDY IS AN FBI CONFIDENTIAL INFORMANT • Diddy has been dodging the legal system for years• P. Diddy’s former bodyguard JUST came out and said he was a (CI) — it’s been documented him taking paperwork up to the FBI

A WARNING FROM SUGE NIGHT• Suge Knight is warning warning the “Brother Love” handle won’t fly in prison“I tell you what Puffy.. your life is in danger. Cause you know the secrets, who’s involved in that little secret room you guys participating in. So you know they gonna get you if they can.”

FORMER FED INVESTIGATOR WEIGHS IN• The DHS invading his home and not the FBI raiding his home is significant, because that means it’s international. • The walls are closing in. A lot of people from his inner circle has turned on him.
Nobody wants to talk about Democrat P Diddy?

 
You could say that about a car crash victim. Which is a pretty apt comparison to the United States under Biden.
What is so bad under Biden?

Even the border issues you hear about are largely right-wing lies.

I understand you reject objective evidence.
 
What is so bad under Biden?
You couldn't possibly be that stupid. Inflation is through the roof. We are suffering under a land invasion across our southern border. The peaceful world the Donald Trump bequeathed to Joe Biden is a flame. The nuclear holocaust clock is one minute to midnight. Terrorists from every ill intentioned malefactor on planet earth are taking advantage of our open borders and setting up their long-term operations in our country completely unchecked. Our justice system has completely disintegrated into a cross between The Nazi Gestapo and the British star chamber.
Even the border issues you hear about are largely right-wing lies.
The notion that we have a border under Biden is mostly lies.
I understand you reject objective evidence.
If we put your understanding in a Petri dish that dish would still be mostly empty.
 
You couldn't possibly be that stupid. Inflation is through the roof. We are suffering under a land invasion across our southern border. The peaceful world the Donald Trump bequeathed to Joe Biden is a flame. The nuclear holocaust clock is one minute to midnight. Terrorists from every ill intentioned malefactor on planet earth are taking advantage of our open borders and setting up their long-term operations in our country completely unchecked. Our justice system has completely disintegrated into a cross between The Nazi Gestapo and the British star chamber.

The notion that we have a border under Biden is mostly lies.

If we put your understanding in a Petri dish that dish would still be mostly empty.
Inflation has been a worldwide issue, but the US is doing better than our peer countries in dealing with inflation.

We all recognize that the southern border is a problem, but under the direction of Trump, Republicans in Congress vetoed the bill they negotiated which would have given them many of their priorities. Why don't you blame them? And what is the Republican plan for the border?

Fears of nuclear war date far back. When I was a kid we had nuclear war drills in school. They don't do that anymore. Instead they have active shooter drills because of the proliferation of guns in the USA.

So where are the foreign terrorist attacks during Biden's administration? 9/11 was during the Bush administration. We have a much more serious problem with domestic terrorism, mainly from the RW.

I get it that your side thinks pursuing justice against Trump and his cronies = Nazism. But this is how a fair justice system works.

And of course you end with a personal insult.
 
Inflation has been a worldwide issue, but the US is doing better than our peer countries in dealing with inflation.
Right, the United States is exported the inflation problem to the world by flooding every corner of the planet with worthless dollars that have been produced by the Biden administration. What do you think there is such a worldwide concerted effort to escape the dollar is the world reserve currency?
We all recognize that the southern border is a problem,
When did this revelation occur? When Joe Biden sold all of the materials for the wall along the southern borders for scrap? When the Biden administration filed a lawsuit against the state of Texas for trying to enforce their borders? When the Biden administration took up the policy of flying illegal aliens to every red state in the country under dark of night? When the good people of Martha's Vineyard took selfies with the illegal immigrants shipped to them from Florida and Texas before summarily evicting them from their utopic island?

When the state of New York decided to start arresting homeowners, for attempting to evict illegal aliens who taken up residence in their homes? When countless Americans have been murdered and raped because other countries are emptying out their prisons and sending the dregs of their underworld across our southern border? Since every terrorist organization in the world is setting up American operations because there is absolutely zero impediments to they're doing so?

Since China has been flooding our border with spies and operatives and enforcement units that will and is wreaking havoc on Americans of Chinese descent, who are not loyal to the CCP? Since the Biden administration dismantled every policy that the Trump administration had put in place which affectively prevented illegal immigration across the southern border?

Forgive me if your point is not at all obvious to a disinterested observer.
but under the direction of Trump, Republicans in Congress vetoed the bill they negotiated which would have given them many of their priorities.
Do you mean Mitch McConnell, who is already retired and will not be affected by any of the bad legislation that he pushes across the board to disable the new administration no matter how much the American people are against it? He said in a speech from the floor of the senate that he has every intention of torpedoing as much of the United States as possible before he leaves. I believe he use the euphemism "his critics" instead of saying the United States. That man is determined to throw as many Molotov cocktails at the American people before he relinquishes his grasp on power as he possibly can. He is significantly lower than the scum of the Earth.
Why don't you blame them? And what is the Republican plan for the border?
Who do you mean? Republican voters? If that's what you mean, they're electing Donald Trump is the 47th President of the United States.
Fears of nuclear war date far back.
Not far enough for the Japanese. They could've had that same unilateral surrender deal that they ultimately signed before a nuclear attack. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but somehow expecting different results.
When I was a kid we had nuclear war drills in school. They don't do that anymore.
Bear in mind that the risk is only gone up significantly since the Biden administration precipitated the attack on Ukraine. But as a matter of fact, the risk at this moment is many times greater than it was during the Kennedy administration's missiles of October.
Instead they have active shooter drills because of the proliferation of guns in the USA.
You mean since they took prayer out of school? I find it odd that the party of Godless death has a problem with mass shootings. Have you considered the horror of being pulled a limb from limb in your mothers womb? What unbelievable hypocrisy.
So where are the foreign terrorist attacks during Biden's administration?
Everywhere. They're simply being reported as one off, inexplicable, disconnected events.
9/11 was during the Bush administration.
Bush was the president who got the "invade the world" policy off to a solid starts in the first place!
We have a much more serious problem with domestic terrorism, mainly from the RW.
That is certified lunacy!
I get it that your side thinks
If for one second you could evaluate the world around you as a disinterested observer would, perhaps the spell would be broken.
pursuing justice against Trump and his cronies = Nazism.
Every charge that has been leveled against Donald Trump which is now playing out in a court room somewhere in the United States is completely unprecedented. There are no coincidences in politics.

Nothing going on in any courtroom regarding Donald Trump has anything to do with justice. Nothing like any of these legal actions have been taken against a president or former president in 247 years of our nations existence.

These have nothing to do with Donald Trump or anything that he has done. These have everything to do with the fact that his adversaries are un-American degenerates who give no thought to destroying the cohesion of this great republic.

Our country has been rendered infinitely weaker than it has ever been by these actions and restoring it to its former glory may be impossible. However that may be, we are given no relief from our obligation to undo the damage that has been done, and is still significantly underway.
But this is how a fair justice system works.
No it's not! It's not how it works right now and it never has been. In time the record will show that that is the case.
And of course you end with a personal insult.
You couldn't say that if you actually critically read @Backup's posts.
 
Right, the United States is exported the inflation problem to the world by flooding every corner of the planet with worthless dollars that have been produced by the Biden administration. What do you think there is such a worldwide concerted effort to escape the dollar is the world reserve currency?

When did this revelation occur? When Joe Biden sold all of the materials for the wall along the southern borders for scrap? When the Biden administration filed a lawsuit against the state of Texas for trying to enforce their borders? When the Biden administration took up the policy of flying illegal aliens to every red state in the country under dark of night? When the good people of Martha's Vineyard took selfies with the illegal immigrants shipped to them from Florida and Texas before summarily evicting them from their utopic island?

When the state of New York decided to start arresting homeowners, for attempting to evict illegal aliens who taken up residence in their homes? When countless Americans have been murdered and raped because other countries are emptying out their prisons and sending the dregs of their underworld across our southern border? Since every terrorist organization in the world is setting up American operations because there is absolutely zero impediments to they're doing so?

Since China has been flooding our border with spies and operatives and enforcement units that will and is wreaking havoc on Americans of Chinese descent, who are not loyal to the CCP? Since the Biden administration dismantled every policy that the Trump administration had put in place which affectively prevented illegal immigration across the southern border?

Forgive me if your point is not at all obvious to a disinterested observer.

Do you mean Mitch McConnell, who is already retired and will not be affected by any of the bad legislation that he pushes across the board to disable the new administration no matter how much the American people are against it? He said in a speech from the floor of the senate that he has every intention of torpedoing as much of the United States as possible before he leaves. I believe he use the euphemism "his critics" instead of saying the United States. That man is determined to throw as many Molotov cocktails at the American people before he relinquishes his grasp on power as he possibly can. He is significantly lower than the scum of the Earth.

Who do you mean? Republican voters? If that's what you mean, they're electing Donald Trump is the 47th President of the United States

Not far enough for the Japanese. They could've had that same unilateral surrender deal that they ultimately signed before a nuclear attack. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but somehow expecting different results.

Bear in mind that the risk is only gone up significantly since the Biden administration precipitated the attack on Ukraine. But as a matter of fact, the risk at this moment is many times greater than it was during the Kennedy administration's missiles of October.

You mean since they took prayer out of school? I find it odd that the party of Godless death has a problem with mass shootings. Have you considered the horror of being pulled a limb from limb in your mothers womb? What unbelievable hypocrisy.

Everywhere. They're simply being reported as one off, inexplicable, disconnected events.

Bush was the president who got the "invade the world" policy off to a solid starts in the first place!

That is certified lunacy!

If for one second you could evaluate the world around you as a disinterested observer would, perhaps the spell would be broken.

Every charge that has been leveled against Donald Trump which is now playing out in a court room somewhere in the United States is completely unprecedented. There are no coincidences in politics.

Nothing going on in any courtroom regarding Donald Trump has anything to do with justice. Nothing like any of these legal actions have been taken against a president or former president in 247 years of our nations existence.

These have nothing to do with Donald Trump or anything that he has done. These have everything to do with the fact that his adversaries are un-American degenerates who give no thought to destroying the cohesion of this great republic.

Our country has been rendered infinitely weaker than it has ever been by these actions and restoring it to its former glory may be impossible. However that may be, we are given no relief from our obligation to undo the damage that has been done, and is still significantly underway.

No it's not! It's not how it works right now and it never has been. In time the record will show that that is the case.

You couldn't say that if you actually critically read @Backup's posts.
Inflation was not something created in the USA and exported. It developed in large part due to the responses to the pandemic like problems with the supply chain. This was a global problem.

What is the evidence that other countries are emptying their prisons and sending those people here? There is, in fact, no evidence of any migrant crime wave here, as homegrown crime outpaces that of migrants.

So name some of those inexplicable events that are really terrorism.
The fact is that many more people have been killed by RW terrorism in the USA than by foreigners. Look it up.

I get it that you have irrational fears about the Ukraine situation, but your fears are misplaced, and if anything, should be focused on that madman Putin.

You are in favor of putting forced prayers back in school? What prayers would kids be expected to say? Don't you think that kids notice when school prayers are not what they say at their churches or at home?

Yes the charges against Trump are unprecedented, but it is unprecedented having such a conman engaged in criminality in a position of national leadership. The law should apply to all.

Who is destroying the nation's cohesion? Have you seen Trump's ALL CAP rants about the judges in his cases and their assistants and families, or the political opponents he refers to as vermin? He is the one destroying cohesion and civility.
 
You couldn't possibly be that stupid. Inflation is through the roof.

Inflation is 3.2%

Strike One
We are suffering under a land invasion across our southern border.

Largely exaggerated by dishonest right-wingers

Strike 2

The peaceful world the Donald Trump bequeathed to Joe Biden is a flame. The nuclear holocaust clock is one minute to midnight. Terrorists from every ill intentioned malefactor on planet earth are taking advantage of our open borders and setting up their long-term operations in our country completely unchecked. Our justice system has completely disintegrated into a cross between The Nazi Gestapo and the British star chamber.

Just bizarre

Your Out


The notion that we have a border under Biden is mostly lies.

If we put your understanding in a Petri dish that dish would still be mostly empty.
 
Inflation was not something created in the USA and exported. It developed in large part due to the responses to the pandemic
Responses by whom? You and your neighbors? The people who populate the barstools in America? The people who get up every morning and try to go to work unless some blue state governor is preventing them from doing so? The people who populate the fever swamps of the faculty lounge is in our higher institutions of learning? Or do you mean responses by the administration printing billions and trillions and trillions of dollars to ostensibly correct they're terrible decision to keep all the people who create the GDP of America at home sitting on their a##es instead of producing. When you have dollars printed for which there is no corresponding production that is called inflation. It's where you steal from every person holding dollars a small fraction so that you can spend it on some thing for which you have no money to allocate.
like problems with the supply chain.
Of course there's gonna be a problem with the supply chain if you try to pay for real produced products with phony money.
This was a global problem.
I never said the United States cornered the market on stupid. The United States didn't get to be number one by racing to the bottom. Of course communist China is going to do stupid policy, they're communist! We're not supposed to be trying to do the most stupid in stupidity.
What is the evidence that other countries are emptying their prisons and sending those people here? There is, in fact, no evidence of any migrant crime wave here, as homegrown crime outpaces that of migrants.
My source is Randy Clark a 32 year veteran of the US border patrol.

So name some of those inexplicable events that are really terrorism.
When the Venezuelan equivalent of the CIA releases their prisoners into the United States and loses their record of incarceration so they can never be identified as convicts and they murder Americans this terrorism. When illegal Chinese aliens set up essentially police precincts in the United States from which to attack American citizens of Chinese descent for not being a traitor to the United States in cooperation with the CCP that's terrorism.
The fact is that many more people have been killed by RW terrorism in the USA than by foreigners. Look it up.
There have been generations of Americans who have been born since Timothy McVeigh blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City. There are no relevant examples of right wing terrorism.
I get it that you have irrational fears about the Ukraine situation,
Irrational fear? There are millions of Ukrainian refugees and tens of thousands of dead Ukrainians. An entire NATO trained army has been annihilated. You are out of your ever loving mind! I would suggest that you look up the word irrational before you use it again.
but your fears are misplaced,
Save the speech for the dead Ukrainians.
and if anything, should be focused on that madman Putin.
I may not like Vladimir Putin's policy. But it is anything but irrational. Anybody in his position would likely have done something very similar. The same cannot be said for our policy.
You are in favor of putting forced prayers back in school?
Where do you think schools came from? They were appendages to churches and synagogues. We have "forced" prayer in Congress. The thing that makes it "forced" is your calling it that. I'm not clear why you're not objecting to "forced Science" or "forced reading."
What prayers would kids be expected to say?
At lunch I might recommend "God is great, God is good, let us thinking for our food, amen." I know you find that incredibly subversive. That's the problem.
Don't you think that kids notice when school prayers are not what they say at their churches or at home?
I sure hope that they speak to God in a conversational attitude of heart extemporaneously because that's how God cares for them. Jesus loves the little children. All the children of the world. Red and yellow, black and white they are precious in his sight. Jesus loves the Little children of the world!
Yes the charges against Trump are unprecedented,
Not just unprecedented. They're unthinkable!
but it is unprecedented having such a conman engaged in criminality in a position of national leadership.
My gosh, you are completely ignorant of American history… wow!
The law should apply to all.
Except police officers? And prosecutors? And judges? And congressman? And librarians at the national archives? If this dark chasm of infamy in American episodic history has taught us anything, it's that the law doesn't seem to apply to anybody except Donald Trump.
Who is destroying the nation's cohesion?
Thank you for asking. You and your fellow travelers destroyed American cohesion. And you so thoroughly destroyed it it doesn't look like it's ever going to come back without extraordinary heavy lifting. Before that can happen lots of people who carried water for the current malignity have got to go to jail for many, many, many years.
Have you seen Trump's ALL CAP rants about the judges in his cases and their assistants and families,
Trump is literally being attacked by these people and you are calling his words "attacks." His words are not attacks the attacks are attacks. You've got this exactly backwards!
or the political opponents he refers to as vermin?
Are you concerned that, that's an insult to vermin? If so you may have a point.
He is the one destroying cohesion and civility.
If you think the literal attacks on Donald Trump are justifiable you are the breach in civility.
 
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Of you are going to pretend to be an economist, you should at least familiarize yourself with the basics.
Your dishonest sidekick says I claim to have more that 3 economics degrees. Do you have a soft spot for LW liars?

Like one that says I claim to be a veterinarian transplant surgeon. Doubled down.

WE understand what is not covered by Biden's advertised inflation rate.
 
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