Mr Laurier
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You find facts "funny"?
No you are not. How can I name a bank that only exists in your private delusions?
Creationism is nonsense
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No you are not. How can I name a bank that only exists in your private delusions?
So prove the universe is eternal
Correct.
Creationism has nothing to do with science.
It is a series of miracles done over a six-day period that raised the level of mass/energy in the universe from zero to what it is today.
Oh, but it does, sir.
You made an excellent point in your first sentence:
Creationism isn't science.
That's pretty good, but for one thing:
God is outside of His creation.
In fact, that's one of His attributes:
God is transcendent.
Even if it was sequitur, God is outside of "all that exists".
rossum
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Yes, God is not part of creation, however, God does exist. Hence God is part of the ATE universe. Bear in mind that the ATE universe is not the same as the created universe. God is external to the created universe, but is included in the ATE universe. The ATE universe is not created because at least one constituent of that universe is not created.
Anything external to the ATE universe does not exist, by definition.
I would not make that statement - since god exists.
What's the "ATE universe"?
rossum
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My apologies for not defining my terms more clearly.
The ATE universe is the philosophically defined "All That Exists" universe. Any existing gods are included, as are existing angels, devils, ghosts, hells, heavens etc. Also the entire material universe is included.
If any existing thing is eternal, then the ATE universe is also eternal. The ATE universe has no external cause, since anything external to the ATE universe does not exist, by definition.
Got it ... thanks!