Did God predestinate the church in Pergamos in Rev 2 to disobey Him, so that He needed to correct them?

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Howie said:
Open theists deny God determined all things.

Do you deny God determined all things, Tom?

Yes, or no?
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Proud to say i do just like the bible you deny

- Christians have libertarian free will

No, it's your.argument, Tom, none of those passage say anuyhing about [fill in the blank] ______________ . That is pure avoidance. You have not dealt with the passages James 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he...
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Why do you deny scripture Howie?
 
Howie said:
Open theists deny God determined all things.

Do you deny God determined all things, Tom?

Yes, or no?
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Were you unable to read

Proud to say i do just like the bible you deny

- Christians have libertarian free will

No, it's your.argument, Tom, none of those passage say anuyhing about [fill in the blank] ______________ . That is pure avoidance. You have not dealt with the passages James 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he...
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Why do you deny scripture Howie?
 
Howie said:
Open theists deny God determined all things.

Do you deny God determined all things, Tom?

Yes, or no?
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  - Was God insincere?

All of those who are receieving the Open theism contradicts scripture Howie's dodge Can you show an of these were born haters of God cain Able Cornelius ' Lydia The Ethopian eunuch The gentiles in acts 13 we are not born guilty of sin Still no answer to my question You are not...
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Howie said:
Open theists deny God determined all things.

Do you deny God determined all things, Tom?

Yes, or no?
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Proud to say I deny both open theism and Calvinist determinism

with its gnostic unbiblical roots

- Christians have libertarian free will

No, it's your.argument, Tom, none of those passage say anuyhing about [fill in the blank] ______________ . That is pure avoidance. You have not dealt with the passages James 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he...
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Howie said:
I don't see how. Explain how God do that? Everything men have is given to them by God.
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The ability to give autonomous choice is a miracle. God can do that. I don't see how you don't understand that.

You aren't even self-sufficient. How can you think you're autonomous?
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We have mental autonomous choice within the range God gives us, not just anything. This doesn't mean we always have the physical means or resources to be successful in our endeavors.

Or
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You have a third option?
 
Howie said:
Tom, I'm only doing to you what you to me.

Are you enjoying it? ?
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No you are not and are totally ignoring context and ignoring reply

Disengenuously claiming you answered something you did not is totally different from what we see here.
 
fltom said:
No you are not and are totally ignoring context and ignoring reply
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I'm doing what you did to me.
fltom said:
Disengenuously claiming you answered something you did not is totally different from what we see here.
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That's what you did to me.

Disengenuously claimed I did not answer things I did answer.

You didn't answer my question: are you enjoying me doing to you what you did to me?
 
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