leonard03782
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Which came first? Faith or action?Jesus sees her faith in action and says "Therefore..her many sins are forgiven."
Which came first? Faith or action?Jesus sees her faith in action and says "Therefore..her many sins are forgiven."
It will be interesting to see if you get an answer,Which came first? Faith or action?
Yes, indeed! God knows when a person repents and is turning from sin with his own self-will, and forsaking everything on this earth which is opposed to God and His will, in order to know and do the will of God, for His glory.Jesus has the advantage of being God and knowing peoples hearts right? He knows repentance when He sees it. Like Nicodemus, the woman at the well, the rich young ruler. He knows how to tailor the gospel specific to that persons need. Something catholics need to realize.
I love the story of the rich, young ruler who came to Jesus, fell at His feet, and earnestly implored Him to explain what he needed to do to inherit eternal life. He was morally upright and sincere. When Jesus quoted the Law of God, the young man claimed to have kept it from the time of his youth. But then, Jesus uttered these devastating words to him: "one thing you lack; go and sell all you possess, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." But at these words his face fell, and he went away grieved for he was one who owned much property."Jesus has the advantage of being God and knowing peoples hearts right? He knows repentance when He sees it. Like Nicodemus, the woman at the well, the rich young ruler. He knows how to tailor the gospel specific to that persons need. Something catholics need to realize.
They go together.Which came first? Faith or action?
We know that, even though you post as if you agree with what Johan has posted, we all know, that the above two statements are NOT what the rcc teaches or even remotely teaches. Because if it were so, it would not teach infusion, and the eating and drinking of real human flesh and blood as a requirement to become righteous through our own merits before we can even begin to receive God's grace.
In other words, the rcc teaches one must become righteous through his/her own power, strength and will. Scripture teaches otherwise. I can't speak for others, but I don't believe you when you say you agree with something posted by a non-rc, because those of us who are non-rc's already know what the rcc teaches. And no, we are NOT on common ground. And will NEVER be on common ground.
And discussing free will is not going to change those who fully trust God ALONE to give them eternal life and are grounded firmly in God's word and cause them to move over to the rcc. Those who join and follow the rcc, have severed themselves from Christ. And are lost, because their hope, faith and trust is elsewhere.
By grace you have been saved through action?They go together.