Evolutionists very many times quote very unscientific dates. Why? It is a sign of their deception.

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Evolutionists very many times quote very unscientific dates. Why? It is a sign of their deception.

When looking at many articles from evolutionists and those that believe in billions of years, you will see that many dates are quoted without any error ranges. To see this for yourself, just enter the following into google, where xxx can be any number.

“million years ago” xxx
Or
“million years old” xxx

Some dates to try: 518, 1.45, 539, 113, 252, 19, 84, 2.6, 890, 260, 299, 510, 210, 160, 460, 139, 247, 313, 108, 104, 103, 112, 116, 129, 133, 193, 232, 41, 183, 122, 213, 207, and 301.

The problem is that when giving any scientific value derived from any measurement, the error range must also be provided else it is not a scientific value. This is from high school science labs in chemistry, physics and biology and repeated in college. A lab report that does not do this would probably receive a failing grade. If some value is derived from the quantity being measured through some equation, then the error ranges must also be carried through with the equation. For example, if the measured quantity is cubed, the error range is cubed. If there are multiple measured values each will then contribute to the final error range, each potentially with its own equation. Even some constants are actually from measured values and may contribute to the final error range. Another approach would be to do a statistical analysis of the values and report an error range based on that. So why is there no error range? And where are the calculations to determine the error range?

So, these values are not scientific at all. All publications containing such should be retracted. And no publication should be allowed that does not meet this simple scientific standard. Of course, that would be a major problem for evolution and billions of years, because the real error ranges are extremely large. Things that come from known historical events are dated as very old, some over billions of years old. That means that the error range is +- 100% of the measured value. So, these dates would include about 4500 years ago for things from the flood and about 6000 years ago for things from the 6-day creation. And in measuring the age of the same things, the dating methods disagree with each other widely. Things that are supposedly ancient are not C-14 dead and are therefore not ancient. And since the only way to calibrate the dating technique is to use things of a known age has proved to be a complete failure, there is no dating technique that can be used for evolution and billions of years. Projection outside the measured and observed range is pseudo-science.

So why do they report these exact dates which is known to be completely unscientific? It must be to convince many that this “science” is just so exact. But all dates should be reported with very large error ranges (+- 100%). And that becomes a true disaster for the house of cards that evolution and billions of years rests on. For example, if the date for a species that descended from another species overlaps with the ancestor, which they would, then how can anyone claim that one species descended from another? They can’t claim that. But that claim is needed because the descent tree of supposed new features requires it. And if the date for a species that descended from another species overlaps with the ancestor species, which it would, how can someone claim that the supposed ancestor species is in an older, lower rock layer? They can’t claim that. See how the house of cards collapses.

Now there is an even more deeper deception that scientists trying to line up all their dating on some supposed timeline. From the Bible it is know that Satan deceives the whole world. So, the exact dating is Satan mocking all those that supposedly are scientific to use exact dates which are not scientific at all. The movie “Inherit the Wind” is a propaganda piece based on a play written Jerome Lawrence and Robert Lee who write the play specifically as a propaganda piece. At the end of the movie, the press only wants to hear from the evolutionists as they now have the microphone. But the writers themselves were completely deceived by Satan because Satan now had the microphone. Both have died and went on to judgment.

All publications containing such unscientific dates should be retracted. And no publication should be allowed that does not meet this simple scientific standard. This is to restore integrity in science in this area of knowledge. And of course all things supposedly over 6000 years old should be C-14 tested.

Here are some links which give exact dates. There are many more.


 
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You will only accept dates which give error ranges?

Easy. See The Age of the Earth for many good scientific dates with error ranges.

I also note that there are no error ranges on any dates in the Bible, so you have to reject all such dates. For instance, what is the error range on the age given for Methuselah?
 
You will only accept dates which give error ranges?

Easy. See The Age of the Earth for many good scientific dates with error ranges.

I also note that there are no error ranges on any dates in the Bible, so you have to reject all such dates. For instance, what is the error range on the age given for Methuselah?
They usually reserve +- for the ages of the earth, the moon, and the universe.

They usually use exact dates for events on the earth - fossils, rock layers and species.
So the later is for sure very unscientific.
But that showed that the radiatctive dating is invalid. So that shows the age o the earth is not so exact and this very unscientific too.
 
They usually reserve +- for the ages of the earth, the moon, and the universe.
And those accurate scientific dates, with error ranges, show that the earth, the moon and the universe are all a lot older than 6,000 years.

They usually use exact dates for events on the earth - fossils, rock layers and species.
No. The unscientific sources you read leave out the error ranges. Those ranges are present in the original scientific papers. It is the secondary sources, such as CNN, which leave them out because they are aiming at a general audience, not a scientific audience.

So the later is for sure very unscientific.
I agree. Unscientific sources are unscientific, especially sources which do not even have a word for deoxyribonucleic acid.

But that showed that the radiatctive dating is invalid. So that shows the age o the earth is not so exact and this very unscientific too.
Anyone using C-14 dates for anything over about 50,000 years old is certainly being unscientific. That special offer on my guaranteed weight loss plan is still open. Though you need to hurry, it will be going up to $599.95 (plus P&P) soon.
 
And those accurate scientific dates, with error ranges, show that the earth, the moon and the universe are all a lot older than 6,000 years.


No. The unscientific sources you read leave out the error ranges. Those ranges are present in the original scientific papers. It is the secondary sources, such as CNN, which leave them out because they are aiming at a general audience, not a scientific audience.


I agree. Unscientific sources are unscientific, especially sources which do not even have a word for deoxyribonucleic acid.


Anyone using C-14 dates for anything over about 50,000 years old is certainly being unscientific. That special offer on my guaranteed weight loss plan is still open. Though you need to hurry, it will be going up to $599.95 (plus P&P) soon.
Of course the error ranges are false.
And thus unscientific.
And all the others that have no error range too.
 
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Of course the error ranges are false.
And thus unscientific.
And all the others that have no error range too.
So, you aren't really complaining about the lack of error ranges, you are actually complaining about the false dates YEC websites are feeding you.
 
So, you aren't really complaining about the lack of error ranges, you are actually complaining about the false dates YEC websites are feeding you.
I am proving that evolutionists and billions of years believers are deceived and deceiving in uses exact dates which is very unscientific.
 
It is not scientific at all to use exact dates and have no error ranges.
Which is why you do not see such dates in scientific papers. You will see them in news articles about those papers, and in YEC pieces criticising those papers. See the dates I linked to in post #2, and which you did not accept. Those dates had error ranges.

All publications that do this should be retracted.
Start by retracting the Bible then. The age given for Methuselah does not have a range given.
 
Which is why you do not see such dates in scientific papers. You will see them in news articles about those papers, and in YEC pieces criticising those papers. See the dates I linked to in post #2, and which you did not accept. Those dates had error ranges.


Start by retracting the Bible then. The age given for Methuselah does not have a range given.
Because ages are not measured values but counted
You are truly desparate..
And the news articles get it from the scientific papers and organizations.
 
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Because ages are not measured values but counted
You are truly desparate..
And the news articles get it from the scientific papers and organizations.
Obvious double standard there, SBTL. Dates without error ranges are fine in the Bible, but wrong on CNN.

That leaves you with the problem of scientific dates with error ranges, that you have to find some other reason to reject.
 
Obvious double standard there, SBTL. Dates without error ranges are fine in the Bible, but wrong on CNN.

That leaves you with the problem of scientific dates with error ranges, that you have to find some other reason to reject.
Counting years is exact.
No double standard at all.
Not that I do say about 6000 years ago for creation and about 4500 years ago for the flood.
One reason is when it says someone was a certain age when they begat a son, it is not known whether they were that exact age or about the age. This there is a +- 1/2 year error.
 
Counting years is exact.
No double standard at all.
Then you agree with the "exact" reign of King En-Men-Lu-Ana who reigned for 43,200 years according to the Sumerian King List. Reign lengths can easily be counted. That list has the Flood in it as well as Ubara-Tutu, who reigned for 18,600 years and was the father of Utnapishtim, the Noah equivalent in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
 
Then you agree with the "exact" reign of King En-Men-Lu-Ana who reigned for 43,200 years according to the Sumerian King List. Reign lengths can easily be counted. That list has the Flood in it as well as Ubara-Tutu, who reigned for 18,600 years and was the father of Utnapishtim, the Noah equivalent in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
where are they now counting years? There is no Sumerian calendar.
Also the rounded to 100s is suspicious to say the least.
Did they just abdicate or just happen to die on that nicely rounded years?
And reigned over what as there is no record of civilizations existing before 6000 years ago.
The list is easily shown to be fake.
 
The Sumerians had a calendar.


So do you think that Adam's ages, 800 years is also suspicious?

No, you are just looking for excuses to ignore any data which you do not like for religious reasons.
The 800 was after he begat Seth.
But Adam lived 930 years.

And it is amazing that in defending evolution you are now using the Sumerian calendar.
So there is no evidence to defend evolution as your new strategy proves.
 
Evolutionists very many times quote very unscientific dates. Why? It is a sign of their deception.

When looking at many articles from evolutionists and those that believe in billions of years, you will see that many dates are quoted without any error ranges. To see this for yourself, just enter the following into google, where xxx can be any number.

“million years ago” xxx
Or
“million years old” xxx

Some dates to try: 518, 1.45, 539, 113, 252, 19, 84, 2.6, 890, 260, 299, 510, 210, 160, 460, 139, 247, 313, 108, 104, 103, 112, 116, 129, 133, 193, 232, 41, 183, 122, 213, 207, and 301.

The problem is that when giving any scientific value derived from any measurement, the error range must also be provided else it is not a scientific value. This is from high school science labs in chemistry, physics and biology and repeated in college. A lab report that does not do this would probably receive a failing grade. If some value is derived from the quantity being measured through some equation, then the error ranges must also be carried through with the equation. For example, if the measured quantity is cubed, the error range is cubed. If there are multiple measured values each will then contribute to the final error range, each potentially with its own equation. Even some constants are actually from measured values and may contribute to the final error range. Another approach would be to do a statistical analysis of the values and report an error range based on that. So why is there no error range? And where are the calculations to determine the error range?

So, these values are not scientific at all. All publications containing such should be retracted. And no publication should be allowed that does not meet this simple scientific standard. Of course, that would be a major problem for evolution and billions of years, because the real error ranges are extremely large. Things that come from known historical events are dated as very old, some over billions of years old. That means that the error range is +- 100% of the measured value. So, these dates would include about 4500 years ago for things from the flood and about 6000 years ago for things from the 6-day creation. And in measuring the age of the same things, the dating methods disagree with each other widely. Things that are supposedly ancient are not C-14 dead and are therefore not ancient. And since the only way to calibrate the dating technique is to use things of a known age has proved to be a complete failure, there is no dating technique that can be used for evolution and billions of years. Projection outside the measured and observed range is pseudo-science.

So why do they report these exact dates which is known to be completely unscientific? It must be to convince many that this “science” is just so exact. But all dates should be reported with very large error ranges (+- 100%). And that becomes a true disaster for the house of cards that evolution and billions of years rests on. For example, if the date for a species that descended from another species overlaps with the ancestor, which they would, then how can anyone claim that one species descended from another? They can’t claim that. But that claim is needed because the descent tree of supposed new features requires it. And if the date for a species that descended from another species overlaps with the ancestor species, which it would, how can someone claim that the supposed ancestor species is in an older, lower rock layer? They can’t claim that. See how the house of cards collapses.

Now there is an even more deeper deception that scientists trying to line up all their dating on some supposed timeline. From the Bible it is know that Satan deceives the whole world. So, the exact dating is Satan mocking all those that supposedly are scientific to use exact dates which are not scientific at all. The movie “Inherit the Wind” is a propaganda piece based on a play written Jerome Lawrence and Robert Lee who write the play specifically as a propaganda piece. At the end of the movie, the press only wants to hear from the evolutionists as they now have the microphone. But the writers themselves were completely deceived by Satan because Satan now had the microphone. Both have died and went on to judgment.

All publications containing such unscientific dates should be retracted. And no publication should be allowed that does not meet this simple scientific standard. This is to restore integrity in science in this area of knowledge. And of course all things supposedly over 6000 years old should be C-14 tested.

Here are some links which give exact dates. There are many more.


Give examples of scientific papers that don't provide an error range for their measurements.
Your examples are just dumbed down news articles for the general public.
 
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