If I'm not mistaken, you support that.
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God is Certain of the Accuracy of All future Prophecies ...
- Thread starter Howie
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You are mistaken as you were previously told,If I'm not mistaken, you support that.
So do you really want us to believe you are honest?
As I said, not actively, but by fiat He made their voluntary actions an absolute certainty.Nope
its all old truth
Facts do not support you
Your failure was obvious
you just affirmed God did not determine their desire
yes.but then you turn around and claimed he determined all things
You're talking out of your behind.you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth
How?And your logic is terribly convoluted
He doesn't.How does God get what he determined if he does not take steps which irresistibly effect it.?
Yes.Which you hold God determined.
Tom, my position is God has set everything in stone, sometimes actively, sometimes passively, ALWAYS BY FIATAnd God actively brought about,
Regarding Adam, yes. God made Adam's voluntary actions an absolute certainty.determining the circumstances, the desires and the actions of Adam,
Do you think it us beyond God's power to make men's voluntary actions an absolute certainty? I don't.
You're crazy Tom.if not he does not determine all things.
you are stuck between a rock and a hard place Howie.
Trying so hard to prove I'm not a determinist, and failing so badly, you are.Trying to have you cake and eat it too,
and speaking out of both sides of your mouth
SMH
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I denied them both, Tom. I guess you neglected to finish reading my post preferring instead to talk nonsense from out of your butt. ?I listed two way he could accomplish his ends.
Never stated there were but two ways, so it is not a false dichotomy.
Are you denying either one?
Are youban open theist, Tom.You are mistaken as you were previously told,
Be honest
So do you really want us to believe you are honest?
Never been one dishonest howieAre youban open theist, Tom.
Be honest
So you deny God can restrain evil and that God is capable of working things to meet his own ends.I denied them both, Tom. I guess you neglected to finish reading my post preferring instead to talk nonsense from out of your butt. ?
good to know.
As I said, not actively, but by fiat He made their voluntary actions an absolute certainty.
What is this?
fi·at
[ˈfēət, ˈfēˌät]
NOUN
- a formal authorization or proposition; a decree:
"adopting a legislative review program, rather than trying to regulate by fiat"
According to the westminster confession he did so not because he saw anything as future
yet you call this voluntary
Well voluntariness is contrary to a decreed determination
No, I deny they are the only two solutions and offered a a third solution.So you deny God can restrain evil and that God is capable of working things to meet his own ends.
good to know.
Now, you're arguing against LFW. Let me know when you make up your mind on free will.What is this?
fi·at
[ˈfēət, ˈfēˌät]
NOUN
God decreed man's desire before he ever existed
- a formal authorization or proposition; a decree:
"adopting a legislative review program, rather than trying to regulate by fiat"
According to the westminster confession he did so not because he saw anything as future
yet you call this voluntary
Well voluntariness is contrary to a decreed determination
Also, I'm not bound to the WCF, you are.
If you want to continue to argue with them I'll accept your white flag, and leave you two love birds alone. ?
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No i am arguing your theology does thatNow, you're arguing against LFW. Let me know when you make up your mind on free will.
Also, I'm not bound to the WCF, you are.
If you want to continue to argue with them I'll accept your white flag, and leave you two love birds alone. ?
sorry Howie but as long as you continue leaving question unanswered, scripture unaddressed, and flip flop
you are never going to see that.
Tom, who no knows better what my theology is, me, or you?No i am arguing your theology does that
Again I'm not bound to Calvinism and the WCF, you are. You can't ex0la8n very much without them. They are your go to appeal to authority.
ISTM, you're an open-theist closet Calvinist.
Tom continues with his Democrat MO, "accuse your opponent of what yoi're doing."sorry Howie but as long as you continue leaving question unanswered, scripture unaddressed, and flip flop
you are never going to see that.
Never stated they were the only two possibilitiesNo, I deny they are the only two solutions and offered a a third solution.
but these are your words
If you mean Calvinist theology meTom, who no knows better what my theology is, me, or you?
Again I'm not bound to Calvinism and the WCF, you are. You can't ex0la8n very much without them. They are your go to appeal to authority.
Of course you are. you identify as a Calvinist.
A five point Calvinist at that
go ahead and deny it
and you are nursing delusionsISTM, you're an open-theist closet Calvinist.
Nope not a democratTom continues with his Democrat MO, "accuse your opponent of what yoi're doing."
You are just full of dishonest claims this morning
LOLNever stated they were the only two possibilities
?but these are your words
If you mean Calvinist theology me
Of course you are. you identify as a Calvinist.
A five point Calvinist at that
go ahead and deny it
and you are nursing delusions
Nope not a democrat
You are just full of dishonest claims this morning
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I tracked back our conversation, and you did offer a false dicotomy, as my inclusion of third alternative proves.LOl
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sorryI tracked back our conversation, and you did offer a false dicotomy, as my inclusion of third alternative proves.
if i claimed those were the only two options you might have an argument,
however I did not claim that so you are in error.
You resorted to the false dichotomy fallacy.sorry
if i claimed those were the only two options you might have an argument,
however I did not claim that so you are in error.
False dilemma fallacy is also known as false dichotomy, false binary, and “either-or” fallacy. It is the fallacy of presenting only two choices, outcomes, or sides to an argument as the only possibilities, when more are available.
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NopeYou resorted to the false dichotomy fallacy.
False dilemma fallacy is also known as false dichotomy, false binary, and “either-or” fallacy. It is the fallacy of presenting only two choices, outcomes, or sides to an argument as the only possibilities, when more are available.
SOURCE
Once again you have no idea what you are talking about
if i claimed those were the only two options you might have an argument,
however I did not claim that so you are in error.
Already refuted.Nope
Once again you have no idea what you are talking about
if i claimed those were the only two options you might have an argument,
however I did not claim that so you are in error.