How to know that God exists.

Whatsisface said:
This doesn't answer my point and commits the fallacy of Ad Hominem where I am attacked rather than the point in hand. I was a little brusque in my previous post, but no where near enough to justify the above.

In the end, if you can't be reasonable and actually deal with my point, I'm afraid it's you who is not being intelligent.
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You don't know how to read without pro atheists bias and without bias against theists.
 
From Yrger
Today at 7:54 AM #759


Whatsisface said:
It's possible to believe there is no God but not have proof.

What are the observations that we are in a created universe?



The Cosmic Microwave Background radiation.

The Cosmic Microwave Background, or CMB, is radiation that fills the universe and can be detected in every direction. Microwaves are invisible to the naked eye so they cannot be seen without instruments. Created shortly after the universe came into being in the Big Bang, the CMB represents the earliest radiation that can be detected. Astronomers have likened the CMB to seeing sunlight penetrating an overcast sky.
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Cosmic Microwave Background: Big Bang Relic Explained (Infographic)
The Cosmic Microwave Background radiation tells us the age and composition of the universe. See what the CMB means for our understanding of the universe in this SPACE.com infographic.
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Exeter said:
Claiming and believing are synonymous.
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No, they aren't.

To believe is to accept; to claim is to assert that you should accept.
Exeter said:
If you believe there is no God you claim there is no God.
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Wrong.
Exeter said:
What are we, and what are we in?
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Questions aren't an argument - this is the same mistake the OP keeps making.
Exeter said:
We are created beings in a created Universe, therefore there must be a Creator who always exists, who always knows all that is knowable, and who is always all-powerful.
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Another mistake the OP keeps making - why must the thing that created the universe be conscious?
Exeter said:
While certain observations to this effect can be made, it is beyond the scope of science to make predictions about entities and actions that are invisible, immeasurable, unrecordable, and unrepeatable.
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Then how is this deduced?
 
yrger said:
You don't know how to read without pro atheists bias and without bias against theists.
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You don't know how to read without pro Christian bias and without bias against atheists.

Now what? How could we tell whether the universe is created or not?
 
yrger said:
From Yrger
Today at 7:54 AM #759


Whatsisface said:
It's possible to believe there is no God but not have proof.

What are the observations that we are in a created universe?



The Cosmic Microwave Background radiation.

The Cosmic Microwave Background, or CMB, is radiation that fills the universe and can be detected in every direction. Microwaves are invisible to the naked eye so they cannot be seen without instruments. Created shortly after the universe came into being in the Big Bang, the CMB represents the earliest radiation that can be detected. Astronomers have likened the CMB to seeing sunlight penetrating an overcast sky.
www.space.com
Cosmic Microwave Background: Big Bang Relic Explained (Infographic)
The Cosmic Microwave Background radiation tells us the age and composition of the universe. See what the CMB means for our understanding of the universe in this SPACE.com infographic.
www.space.com www.space.com
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All you've done here is say what the CMB is. What you haven't done is explain why the CMB shows we live in a created universe.
 
yrger said:
We know the universe is created because it has a beginning.
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Well, we know the current state of the universe started 13.7 billion years ago. We have some understanding of the universe back until a micro second after expansion started but what was before that point we just don't know.

Now, the physics at this point get tricky, as physicists think that both time and space began at the point of expansion. That being so, there was never a time when the universe didn't exist, so to talk of a beginning or it being created might not be the right way to think of it.

The point I'm making here is that to dismiss a natural universe on the grounds of, it had a beginning so therefore it must have been created, before all the physics is known, might be somewhat premature. Particularly when there is no direct evidence of the universe being created and you are interpreting the evidence rather than waiting for confirming evidence one way or the other.
 
Exeter said:
Claiming and believing are synonymous.

If you believe there is no God you claim there is no God.
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Consider a jar of black and white gumballs, with hundreds of gumballs. You don't know how many gumballs are in the jar.

Someone asks you, "Do you believe there is an even number of gumballs in the jar?" You say, "No," but that doesn't mean you think the opposite is true, that there is an odd number of gumballs in the jar.

Similarly, if someone asks another, "Do you believe there is a god?" and the other says, "No," that doesn't mean that other person thinks necessarily that the opposite is true, there is not a god.

So one can disbelieve without believing the opposite.
 
yrger said:
Hi Crackers, what put us into existence, please answer now since you are online and I also.
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I.
Don't.
Know.

YOU are the one claiming that I can know that it is your god, so make with the goods - all I am obligated to do is address your argument.

Why do I have to answer any of your questions when you are the one with the "proof"?
 
5wize said:
You don't know much about your bible do you.
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Sheer ignorance coupled with a vile and satanic spirit of Antichrist spewing its drivel through you. First you have nothing to do with the Bible, the best selling book of the world, though your satanic and murderer father have killed multitude of good and benign men, which GOD used to preach and write His Word, the book of the LORD of the lords, the Bible, the Holy Scriptures.
Besides your personal insignificance, you , and who is like you, show to be possessed by devils' spirits when you and they write, actually around two thousand years ago a legion of demons entered in the bodies of a herd of pigs, which ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and the pigs died in the sea, but the demons not, they don't die, so they got out of the bodies of the pigs, and entered in the bodies of wicked men like you and until the current time, yeah, even like you yourself, now they entered in you, and in who is like you, you and who is like you, are possessed by a legion of them and even their father inspired you and wrote by you the trash of your post as a whole, that will be burned with everlasting fire.
5wize said:
I don't see any argument tucked in your lame response that counters the facts that Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet, baptized by John the baptist not for the forgiveness of sins but to usher in the fire of the end times.
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Satan is a false witness of the Word of GOD, everything you have learned from Satan regardings the Word of GOD, it is FAKE, he is a liar since the beginning, yeah, he is a liar, your father is the father of the lie, and you speaks like him by his satanic spirit.
5wize said:
He told all he met to divest in the world and prepare, for the time has come and all these signs would come to pass before those that stood before him tasted death. Matt 16, Luke 9 read in full context declare this failure of the JEWISH messianic prophecy.
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In fact, your mouth utters your iniquity, and you chose the tongue of the crafty. You have not spirit able to discern and interpret the Word of GOD, you are possessed by a legion of spirits which got out of the bodies of the pigs, and entered in you, and in those which are like you.
5wize said:
Jesus also tells you himself that he did not come for any but the Jew in (Matt 15). He thought himself ONLY the answer to the Jewish messianic Maccabean tradition.
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Another great lie the spirit of darkness speaks by you yourself. Your spirit is a liar, the same spirit of darkness of the possessed Maccabeans, and their apochripha and satanic theories in which you believe because are satanic theories.
In fact, JESUS came unto His own, and His own received Him not. But as many as received Him -Jewish and Gentiles- , to them gave He power to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on His name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of GOD. You, spirit of darkness, you will be casst down into the abyss even in this current time.
5wize said:
All of this failed miserably by the end of the first century and then the supernatural re-invention of his mission started in earnest, earlier with the garbage theology of Paul and culminating late in the century with John, the late century author of the gospel of John, which is so whacked out it is considered apocryphal to most and not synoptic at all.
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You are saying nothing, by/through your personal insignificance, you show to be possessed by devils' spirits when you write the manure that get out from you, to speak against the Holy Scriptures.
5wize said:
It's no wonder that this is the same author of the uber-supernatural nonsense of Revelation. It is the desperate answer to the failed messiah on steroids. If the direct and clear words of Jesus fail to come to pass, baffle em with bull54!t. It's a Christian scam and you are a deeply deluded and invested peddler of it.
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You try to testify against who is more honest, more pure, more righteous, more just, more truer than you. You, spirit of Devil, you old serpent, called Satan, which deceives the whole world, you will be cast down into the bottomless pitch in this current time. Go down to the abyss, Satan, there your place.
 
Oseas said:
Sheer ignorance coupled with a vile and satanic spirit of Antichrist spewing its drivel through you. First you have nothing to do with the Bible, the best selling book of the world, though your satanic and murderer father have killed multitude of good and benign men, which GOD used to preach and write His Word, the book of the LORD of the lords, the Bible, the Holy Scriptures.
Besides your personal insignificance, you , and who is like you, show to be possessed by devils' spirits when you and they write, actually around two thousand years ago a legion of demons entered in the bodies of a herd of pigs, which ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and the pigs died in the sea, but the demons not, they don't die, so they got out of the bodies of the pigs, and entered in the bodies of wicked men like you and until the current time, yeah, even like you yourself, now they entered in you, and in who is like you, you and who is like you, are possessed by a legion of them and even their father inspired you and wrote by you the trash of your post as a whole, that will be burned with everlasting fire.

Satan is a false witness of the Word of GOD, everything you have learned from Satan regardings the Word of GOD, it is FAKE, he is a liar since the beginning, yeah, he is a liar, your father is the father of the lie, and you speaks like him by his satanic spirit.

In fact, your mouth utters your iniquity, and you chose the tongue of the crafty. You have not spirit able to discern and interpret the Word of GOD, you are possessed by a legion of spirits which got out of the bodies of the pigs, and entered in you, and in those which are like you.

Another great lie the spirit of darkness speaks by you yourself. Your spirit is a liar, the same spirit of darkness of the possessed Maccabeans, and their apochripha and satanic theories in which you believe because are satanic theories.
In fact, JESUS came unto His own, and His own received Him not. But as many as received Him -Jewish and Gentiles- , to them gave He power to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on His name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of GOD. You, spirit of darkness, you will be casst down into the abyss even in this current time.

You are saying nothing, by/through your personal insignificance, you show to be possessed by devils' spirits when you write the manure that get out from you, to speak against the Holy Scriptures.

You try to testify against who is more honest, more pure, more righteous, more just, more truer than you. You, spirit of Devil, you old serpent, called Satan, which deceives the whole world, you will be cast down into the bottomless pitch in this current time. Go down to the abyss, Satan, there your place.
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You spit and hiss like Legion when the truth presses you. As all can see, against facts there are no arguments, just the hissing and spitting of an exorcised filth.
 
Oseas said:
What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD,
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... and I've shown everybody that you don't know it. Your message is empty. It died 2000 years ago when the kingdom failed to come before the generation that stood before him passed.Now all that is left are wild-eyed babbling zealots like you holding on to nothing, barking at the moon.
 
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