When one has the power to change things, leaving people dead in their sins and trespasses is as deterministic as sending a Savior to rescue some from the penalty their sins and trespasses.
'nuff said. ?
Soli Deo Gloria
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'nuff said. ?
Soli Deo Gloria
NopeWhen one has the power to change things, leaving people dead in their sins and trespasses is as deterministic as sending a Savior to rescue some from the penalty their sins and trespasses.
'nuff said. ?
Soli Deo Gloria
allowing one to do what they will is not a definition of determinism
You are unable to reason past your master -- theological presupposition.Nope
allowing one to do what they will is not a definition of determinism
You failed to deal with the definition of determinationYou are unable to reason past your master -- theological presupposition.
allowing one to do what they will is not a definition of determinism
so you post rhetoric
Who determined the allowing?You failed to deal with the definition of determination
allowing one to do what they will is not a definition of determinism
You post rhetoric.
Who determimined the allowing?Nope
allowing one to do what they will is not a definition of determinism
That is sillyWho determimined the allowing?
allowing is not determination
The man who is allowed follows his own will not a will determined by another
ROFL. I disagree. ?That is silly
allowing is not determination
The man who is allowed follows his own will not a will determined by another
@fltom still doesn't realize HE is made in God's image, not the other way around!
So what if you disagreeROFL. I disagree. ?
@fltom still doesn't realize HE is made in God's image, not the other way around!
you are changing the meaning of words to support your theology
allowing is not determining
and you cannot support that idea by bearing false witness
No, I'm not. I'm just aware of who God is. You are not. You're not completely clueless, but you're very far away from knowing God.So what if you disagree
you are changing the meaning of words to support your theology
I have never borne false witness against you, Tom, ever ... ?and you cannot support that idea by bearing false witness
Yes you are, Allow is not to determineNo, I'm not. I'm just aware of who God is. You are not. You're not completely clueless, but you're very far away from knowing God.
I have never borne false witness against you, Tom, ever ... ?
Scripture shows it is you who does not know God
You have replaced the holy, loving just God of the bible with the God of a mans systematic theology. A God limited in love, Holiness and justice
and this was false witness
@fltom still doesn't realize HE is made in God's image, not the other way around!
Reformedguy
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Yet you believe it.Nope knowledge is not the same as determination
it's a clear error
Nope you are speaking falselyYet you believe it.
Reformedguy
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Sure do. According to you God determined to save those who believe. God knows who will believe. How? Foreknowledge. God's Foreknowledge determined who would be saved. Man's choices determined His Foreknowledge. Where am I wrong?Nope you are speaking falsely
Determination is the belief all things are determinedSure do. According to you God determined to save those who believe. God knows who will believe. How? Foreknowledge. God's Foreknowledge determined who would be saved. Man's choices determined His Foreknowledge. Where am I wrong?
Foreknowledge does not determine anything
you last two statements contradict one another
Reformedguy
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In your theology it most certainly does. God saves those He foreknows will believe. You are a walking contradition.Determination is the belief all things are determined
Foreknowledge does not determine anything
you last two statements contradict one another
Sorry you keep conflating the definition of a deterministIn your theology it most certainly does. God saves those He foreknows will believe. You are a walking contradition.
A determinist believes all things are determined
you are redefining terms to suit your wishes
Reformedguy
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Points are still not addressed nor challenged. Provisionist in practice believe foreknowledge is determinism.Sorry you keep conflating the definition of a determinist
A determinist believes all things are determined
you are redefining terms to suit your wishes
Sorry that remains a false claimPoints are still not addressed nor challenged. Provisionist in practice believe foreknowledge is determinism.
Your points were challenged and denied
you simply redefine terms according to your convenience
Reformedguy
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I did not define anything. Dodging. Here it is again. If I am mistaken, point it out.Sorry that remains a false claim
Your points were challenged and denied
you simply redefine terms according to your convenience
God determined to save those who believe. God knows who will believe. Foreknowledge. Therefor those God chooses to save is based on His Foreknowledge. Where am I wrong?