In God it is no more perfect to generate than to be generated.

[Yahchristian]

In God it is no more perfect to generate than to be generated.

TRINITARIANS...

You have some interesting terms.

So to clarify your Trinitarian terms...

1) In God, what does "generate" mean?

2) In God, what does "be generated" mean?

3) In God, is it possible to neither "generate" or "be generated"?

Bonus points if you are able to answer using your own words.

 

[aeg4971]

TRINITARIANS...

You have some interesting terms.

So to clarify your Trinitarian terms...

1) In God, what does "generate" mean?

2) In God, what does "be generated" mean?

3) In God, is it possible to neither "generate" or "be generated"?

Bonus points if you are able to answer using your own words.

18. No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Divine Generation is a Divine Act of Understanding whereby God knows His own nature . (Incomprehensibility )in that procession of the Word in God is rightly called Generation, and the Consubstantial Word Himself proceeding is properly called atemporally Begotten and Son. The only begotten Son is Communicated, not created .It follows Word and Son express the same, hence Divine Sonship signifies His Equality with God the Father, equality signifies no greater or less, and thus no more perfect To Generate than To Be Generated. Having then been temporally made passable in servitude by taking the likeness of sinful flesh to become obedient unto death to the glory of God the Father.

When we say," The Father is God", we signify " God Begetting". and at once when we say ," The Son is God", we signify ," God Begotten". Hence in God it is no more perfect To Generate than To Be Generated.

3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

As I said before, remove the corporal and created conditions in words and terms attributed to Divinity. Divine Conception then is likewise consubstantial.

...... Alan

 

[Yahchristian]

Divine Generation is a Divine Act of Understanding whereby God knows His own nature .

So to clarify your Trinitarian terms...

1) In God, what does "generate" mean?

Your answer was... A Divine Act of Understanding whereby God knows His own nature.

2) In God, what does "be generated" mean?

Please post your answer.

3) In God, is it possible to neither "generate" or "be generated"?

Please post your Yes or No answer.

 

[aeg4971]

So to clarify your Trinitarian terms...

1) In God, what does "generate" mean?

Your answer was... A Divine Act of Understanding whereby God knows His own nature.

2) In God, what does "be generated" mean?

Please post your answer.

3) In God, is it possible to neither "generate" or "be generated"?

Please post your Yes or No answer.

I answered your questions sufficiently, anything else you will have to figure out from your own understanding.


......Alan

 

[Yahchristian]

I answered your questions sufficiently,

But this is a Yes or No question...

In God, is it possible to neither "generate" or "be generated"?

Are you unable to answer Yes or No.

 

[aeg4971]

But this is a Yes or No question...

In God, is it possible to neither "generate" or "be generated"?

Are you unable to answer Yes or No.

I wouldn't know since," Thou begat the Co Eternal to whom didst thou saidst, this day have I begotten thee"

Therefore I can't answer yes or no, as it is not something to be considered.

...... Alan

 

[Yahchristian]

I wouldn't know

IMO, if you know what the terms mean, you should be able to answer the question...

In God, is it possible to neither "generate" or "be generated"?

But since you cannot answer Yes or No to that question...

Are you able to answer this question...

1) In God, is it possible to "generate" but not "be generated"?

2) In God, is it possible to "be generated" but not "generate"?

 

[aeg4971]

IMO, if you know what the terms mean, you should be able to answer the question...

In God, is it possible to neither "generate" or "be generated"?

But since you cannot answer Yes or No to that question...

Are you able to answer this question...

1) In God, is it possible to "generate" but not "be generated"?

2) In God, is it possible to "be generated" but not "generate"?

You know just because you do not like the answers to your questions ,does not make them any less than the answers.

I wouldn't know since," Thou begat the Co Eternal to whom didst thou saidst, this day have I begotten thee"

Therefore I can't answer yes or no, as it is not something to be considered.

...... Alan

 

[aeg4971]

IMO, if you know what the terms mean, you should be able to answer the question...

In God, is it possible to neither "generate" or "be generated"?

But since you cannot answer Yes or No to that question...

Are you able to answer this question...

1) In God, is it possible to "generate" but not "be generated"?

2) In God, is it possible to "be generated" but not "generate"?

Think about the questions you are asking. To generate presupposes To Be generated, and conversely To Be generated presupposes To generate.


...... Alan

 

[guest1]

TRINITARIANS...

You have some interesting terms.

So to clarify your Trinitarian terms...

1) In God, what does "generate" mean?

2) In God, what does "be generated" mean?

3) In God, is it possible to neither "generate" or "be generated"?

Bonus points if you are able to answer using your own words.

Where is that in the bible ?

Got Scripture ?

oops just another one of your 1000's of fallacious questions and arguments.

 

[Yahchristian]

TRINITARIANS...

You have some interesting terms.

So to clarify your Trinitarian terms...

1) In God, what does "generate" mean?

2) In God, what does "be generated" mean?

3) In God, is it possible to neither "generate" or "be generated"?

Bonus points if you are able to answer using your own words.

Where is that in the bible ?

Got Scripture ?

oops just another one of your 1000's of fallacious questions and arguments.

The terms "generate" and "be generated" are TRINITARIAN terms !!!

You are right, they are NOT in the Bible.

But I thought the TRINITARIANS on this forum might be able to answer these questions about the terms...

1) In God, what does "generate" mean?

2) In God, what does "be generated" mean?

3) In God, is it possible to neither "generate" or "be generated"?

So..... are YOU able to answer the questions or not.

 

[aeg4971]

The terms "generate" and "be generated" are TRINITARIAN terms !!!

You are right, they are NOT in the Bible.

But I thought the TRINITARIANS on this forum might be able to answer these questions about the terms...

1) In God, what does "generate" mean?

2) In God, what does "be generated" mean?

3) In God, is it possible to neither "generate" or "be generated"?

So..... are YOU able to answer the questions or not.

According to the dictionary Generate
Transitive verb. 1 : to bring into existence: such as. a : procreate, beget.

past tense: generated; past participle: generated.

Now as applied to God and Word remove the notion of causation, creation ,and the duration of time to express His perfection. Hence in relation to the Equality of the Father and the Son, it is no more perfect to generate/Beget than it is to be generated/ Begotten. Purely a relation of Identity.

If you cannot understand this of Undivided Supremely Being itself then the semi Arians are right that the Son is just a man with the fully indwelling spirit having godlike qualities helping God the Father. God would not be incarnate or in hypostatic union if it is less perfect to be generated, the Son would be nothing but a creature filled with the Holy Spirit. Less perfect would signify no equality in God which is altogether impossible.

...... Alan

 

[Yahchristian]

According to the dictionary Generate
Transitive verb. 1 : to bring into existence: such as. a : procreate, beget.

past tense: generated; past participle: generated.

Now as applied to God and Word remove the notion of causation, creation ,and the duration of time to express His perfection.

The word “generate” has NOTHING to do with “perfection”.

If you remove “the notion of causation, creation ,and the duration of time” from the definition of “generate” you have nothing left.

You could just as easily say... If you take the definition of an “apple” and remove the shape, color, texture, leaving just existence, then God is an apple (existence).

Words mean things, and “generate” means “to bring into existence”.

If you cannot understand this...

The terms "generate" and "be generated" (in describing God) are TRINITARIAN terms !!!

I am trying to see how many of your fellow TRINITARIANS understand the doctrine of the Trinity well enough to answer the questions...

1) In God, what does "generate" mean?

2) In God, what does "be generated" mean?

3) In God, is it possible to neither "generate" or "be generated"?

 

[aeg4971]

The word “generate” has NOTHING to do with “perfection”.

If you remove “the notion of causation, creation ,and the duration of time” from the definition of “generate” you have nothing left.

You could just as easily say... If you take the definition of an “apple” and remove the shape, color, texture, leaving just existence, then God is an apple (existence).

Words mean things, and “generate” means “to bring into existence”.




The terms "generate" and "be generated" (in describing God) are TRINITARIAN terms !!!

I am trying to see how many of your fellow TRINITARIANS understand the doctrine of the Trinity well enough to answer the questions...

1) In God, what does "generate" mean?

2) In God, what does "be generated" mean?

3) In God, is it possible to neither "generate" or "be generated"?

Stop right there. God prepossess all perfection and everything predicated of Him is His perfection. Words and terms are not perfect but God is, thus must need to be applied to Him in a more excellent way. As the Father is atemporal so also is the Son, less ye be repugnant to the SHEMA. By your response to me ,like the semi Arians " Jesus is just a man with the fully indwelling spirit".

......Alan