Infants born on a state of innocence
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Don't avoid the point
you absurdly came up with the statement
of their son's sins, of their father's sins
not their own sins hello
you put your foot inn your mouth
CookedGoose
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If everyone is guilty of their own sins
Wouldn't that include children?
If children are innocent because they're not guilty of the father's sin
then
Fathers are innocent because they're not guilty of the son's sin.
Either that or you've taken Mosaic law WAY out of context.
Everyone is guilty of their own sins
it is not difficult to understand
You have done nothing at all to show I have taken the old testament out of context
You are desperate to defend a theology which appears nowhere in scripture.
No. It's proves the truth of God's statement that we are all, BY NATURE children of [God's] wrath." Eph 2:3.
Says nothing at all about being born guilty of Adams sin
Good. You believe the infants were killed for their own sin. ?
Quote me
Jeremiah 19:3–5 (ESV) — 3 You shall say, ‘Hear the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem. Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: Behold, I am bringing such disaster upon this place that the ears of everyone who hears of it will tingle. 4 Because the people have forsaken me and have profaned this place by making offerings in it to other gods whom neither they nor their fathers nor the kings of Judah have known; and because they have filled this place with the blood of innocents, 5 and have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or decree, nor did it come into my mind—
but also
Ezekiel 18:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
No one is guilty of Adam's sin
Whose sin is it infants are guilty of?
Eze 18:20 which you quote above, with bolding
And?
That does not say the infants were killed because of their own sin
You really do need to stop reading your thoughts into everything you read.
CookedGoose
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Gotcha ...
What it says is, infants will not be punished for their fathers' sins; therefore it is their own sin for which they are being punished
I'm correcting your misunderstanding of scripture
Reformedguy
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Pot....pot....... ?
You failed to show that scripture shows they were being punished
Why is it the Calvinist here are reading into scripture what it does not say?
scripture shows this refuting your theology
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) — 16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
2 Kings 14:6 (ESV) — 6 But he did not put to death the children of the murderers, according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. But each one shall die for his own sin.”
2 Chronicles 25:4 (ESV) — 4 But he did not put their children to death, according to what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, “Fathers shall not die because of their children, nor children die because of their fathers, but each one shall die for his own sin.”
Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) — 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
The Calvinist here day after day show they do not believe scripture
I'm pretty sure God knew what that heinous culture would make of those children and infants and it was better for the infant to be with the LORD than in the hands of wickedness.
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I agree, and it's not the issue.