Pro-gay baptist minister Paul Baxter heads up "Christians Against Christian Nationalism"

Have you continued reading into chapter 2?

I'm not the topic.
Yes of course I have read Romans 2. Have you read all of Romans 1 which also condemns malice, deceipt, murder etc?
You do think homosexual acts, malice, deceipt and murder etc are sin and error dont you?

You quote scripture after scripture in response to poster's comments but as soon as I quote some to you, you get defensive.
 
Georgia pastor Paul Baxley was elected executive coordinator of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship (CBF) in Jan 2019. Baxley was the first non-Texan to lead the 1,800-church network.

He has subsequently come out in favor of gay missionaries and gay and female ministers. He is described by his colleagues as a "....deeply committed Christian and a lifelong Baptist,”

"In a sermon last October about whether God is calling gay and lesbian Christians into ordained ministry, Baxley described reconnecting with a member of the youth group he led early in his ministry who eventually became a minister and came out as gay.

“There is clear evidence, at least to me, of the work of the Holy Spirit in his life and obvious signs that the Holy Spirit is working through him in the lives of others, and I am now one of those people whom the Spirit has blessed, strengthened and challenged through his courageous faithfulness and his relentless love for the people of God,” Baxley said. “If God gave him the same gifts and calling that God gave me, who am I that I could hinder God?” [source]

Baxterwants women in positions of leadership in the church. He sees this as desirable:

“And though we have been saying since our founding that we are fully committed to the proposition that God calls women as well as men to all forms of leadership in the church, we have new evidence that we have not arrived yet,” Baxley said. “It grieves me that 30 years into our life, I still have to say we have not arrived yet.”

“Now the good news is, as we’re crossing over, more and more women are coming out of our theological schools, serving our congregations with gifts and grace. But the moment of truth is coming….Are we going to stand up and live into what we’ve been saying from the beginning and call gifted women to pastor our congregations and hold places of leadership in our Fellowship? It is time to cross over.” [source]

(No reference to the bible in any of this. So a veritable false prophet in sheep's clothing.)

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Now Paul Baxter has entered the political arena as an endorser of Christians Against Christian Nationalism campaign which espouses assinine and godless positions as:

Government should not prefer one religion over another or religion over nonreligion.

Baxter says:

"The Church of Jesus Christ exists by the power that parted the Red Sea and raised Jesus from the dead, and that power and authority is still at work within us and among us even as empires rise and fall. To suggest that the church needs the protection of the state in order to flourish and thrive is idolatrous.” [source]


This statement flies in the face of the evidence. Christians now make up approximately 5% of the Middle Eastern population, down from 20% in the early 20th century, where Christians have experienced “forms of persecution ranging from routine discrimination in education, employment and social life up to genocidal attacks against Christian communities." [source]

During the Stalinist era, between 1927 and 1940, the number of Orthodox churches in the Russian Republic fell from 29,584 to fewer than 500. The watershed year was 1929, when Soviet policy put much new legislation in place that formed the basis for the harsh anti-religious persecution in the 1930s. [source]

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I conclude Baxter is a dangerous and deluded false prophet.
So to use the same logic as Baxter, if a person is a thief, say they scam on the internet, but they serve in church, are compassionate to people, pray for people etc, then the work of the Holy Spirit must also be theft?
Cos that is what he is saying. Bit like the rich man who wanted to justify his coveting to Jesus
 
So to use the same logic as Baxter, if a person is a thief, say they scam on the internet, but they serve in church, are compassionate to people, pray for people etc, then the work of the Holy Spirit must also be theft?
Cos that is what he is saying. Bit like the rich man who wanted to justify his coveting to Jesus
I made an unfortunate error in the title to this thread (although not in the text of my initial post). His name is Paul Baxley, not Paul Baxter (apologies to any "Pastor Paul Baxter"s who made have felt inadvertently defamed by my slip).

Yes, the hypocrisy of the SCF is a lesson to any worldy or church organization that supposes that it can or is obliged or is allowed to accomodate sin, whether "moral" or immoral in the eyes of society.

The church must be weary of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Jesus tells us it is hypocrisy, spiritual pride, and self-righteousness. We must always be on our guard against such things, through which satan works.

The power of excommunication must be exercised with more alacrity to preserve the church from these wolves.
 
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Yes of course I have read Romans 2. Have you read all of Romans 1 which also condemns malice, deceipt, murder etc?

The point Paul was getting to is in chapter 2.
"Therefore....."

You do think homosexual acts, malice, deceipt and murder etc are sin and error dont you?

You quote scripture after scripture in response to poster's comments but as soon as I quote some to you, you get defensive.

Defensive? Why would I need to defend myself?
 
The point Paul was getting to is in chapter 2.
"Therefore....."
yes therefore .. it explains we must not be hypocritical. The context is that Jewish believers were in disagreement with the Gentile believers.
It doesnt mean that homosexual acts, malice, deceipt, murder etc arent wrong.

Defensive? Why would I need to defend myself?
Because this pastor has obviously decided that of homosexual acts, malice, deceipt, murder etc, homosexual acts arent sin... which is alao rather deceiptful.
 
yes therefore .. it explains we must not be hypocritical.

He didn't say "if" you do the same things.

"God will judge the secrets of mankind through Christ Jesus."

You are not the judge.

The context is that Jewish believers were in disagreement with the Gentile believers.
It doesnt mean that homosexual acts, malice, deceipt, murder etc arent wrong.


Because this pastor has obviously decided that of homosexual acts, malice, deceipt, murder etc, homosexual acts arent sin... which is alao rather deceiptful.

Why would I need to defend myself against your judgement of Baxley?
 
He didn't say "if" you do the same things.
That is right, but he isnt saying 'do' the same things, indeed he has said they are a barrier to the Kingdom.

"God will judge the secrets of mankind through Christ Jesus."

You are not the judge.
Yes we will all have to account for what we have done,

You seem to be reluctant to admit malice, deceit, murder and homosexual acts are sin. or is it just homosexual acts?

Why would I need to defend myself against your judgement of Baxley?
The Biblical testimony condemns homosexual relations as sin, so the error of the teaching needs to be pointed out.

2 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
 
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The founder of Protestantism

Are Oneness Cultists Protestant?

I know it was started by some hippie chick in California about 100 years ago
There are lots of varieties of pentacostal. Not all are oneness. Oneness often doesn't allow women in positions of leadership outside of music (according on one ex-member), so it is unlikely to have been founded by a "hippie chick in California about 100 years ago." Indeed the reputed founders, Frank Ewart and Glenn Cook, were male.
 
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That is right, but he isnt saying 'do' the same things,

Who said he did?

indeed he has said they are a barrier to the Kingdom.


Yes we will all have to account for what we have done,

You seem to be reluctant to admit malice, deceit, murder and homosexual acts are sin. or is it just homosexual acts?


The Biblical testimony condemns homosexual relations as sin, so the error of the teaching needs to be pointed out.

As I've said, sexual attraction is a lust of the flesh.

"You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matt 5)

2 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

So this gives you an excuse to judge?

I posted on this thread to discuss Christian nationalism.

If you think I'm a heretic, how 'bout you quit replying to me then.
 
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Who said he did?
So do we agree on Romans 2?

As I've said, sexual attraction is a lust of the flesh.
Yes, but the Bible doesn't describe sexual attraction, rather the sexual acts. So sure one can assume acts are caused by lust. However in Romans 1 the specific sexual immorality is same sex acts

"You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matt 5)
Agreed. It would be also wrong to say that God doesnt mind adultery and divorce

So this gives you an excuse to judge?
Or you to judge me. However,

2 Peter 2:1 "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves."
So we need to be aware of false teachers, God will pass judgement, not us.


You have argued vaguely with a number of posters here quoting scripture but unable to say amen to the scriptures that condemn same sex acts.
The epistles are written to the churches, the believers, and as believers we are to judge what is right. We cant expect non-believers to agree on the teaching of Jesus but we can fellow believers.
 
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So do we agree on Romans 2?


Yes, but the Bible doesn't describe sexual attraction, rather the sexual acts. So sure one can assume acts are caused by lust. However in Romans 1 the specific sexual immorality is same sex acts


Agreed. It would be also wrong to say that God doesnt mind adultery and divorce


Or you to judge me. However,

2 Peter 2:1 "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves."
So we need to be aware of false teachers, God will pass judgement, not us.


You have argued vaguely with a number of posters here quoting scripture but unable to say amen to the scriptures that condemn same sex acts.
The epistles are written to the churches, the believers, and as believers we are to judge what is right. We cant expect non-believers to agree on the teaching of Jesus but we can fellow believers.
I've been following your conversation with the other poster. The Scripture that comes to mind is:

John 7:24 "Stop judging by outward appearances and start judging justly.”
 
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I don't think that there can be anything wrong with genuine Christian nationalism (Christ-centric nationalism), in so far as it entails enacting laws which are spiritual and honoring to God.

Of the countless interpretations of the character of Christ, I assume you are referring to the one that agrees with your politics.
 
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There are lots of varieties of pentacostal. Not all are oneness. Oneness often doesn't allow women in positions of leadership outside of music (according on one ex-member), so it is unlikely to have been founded by a "hippie chick in California about 100 years ago." Indeed the reputed founders, Frank Ewart and Glenn Cook, were male.

I tend to lump any Christian denominations that came out of the break from Catholicism in the West as Protestantism. There are a million different versions.
 
Of the countless interpretations of the character of Christ, I assume you are referring to the one that agrees with your politics.
With every Christian it must be the other way round. We must seek to conform to the mind of Christ.
 
I tend to lump any Christian denominations that came out of the break from Catholicism in the West as Protestantism. There are a million different versions.
That is because you cant identify things. You cant tell men from women or whether Christians seeking to follow Christ. You dont look at evidence, you just listen to different voices and get confused
 
With every Christian it must be the other way round. We must seek to conform to the mind of Christ.

So what political positions do you disagree with Christ about?

I used to listen to a podcast with a segment called “God Thinks like You”
 
So what political positions do you disagree with Christ about?

I used to listen to a podcast with a segment called “God Thinks like You”
So the podcast of "God thinks like you" would be appropriate for those who celebrate same sex relations because that is what they want to think and its contrary to the Biblical testimony. Also those who say 'interpretation' for unbelief and denial.

What political positions do not match up to Christ's teaching do you mean?

If you do the first one is wealth to meet our needs, not all our wishes. That could be capitalism or socialism, could be left wing or right wing, some policies from the left and some from the right.
 
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