Thistle
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Russia-Ukraine live updates: Putin suspends key US-Russia nuclear treaty in speech denouncing West
Live updates on the Russia-Ukraine crisis.
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So now what?
Is NATO at war with Russia?
Are you happy now?
Russian strikes land in Poland
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abcnews.go.com
So now what?
Is NATO at war with Russia?
Are you happy now?
Harry Leggs
Super Member
Another escalation? So now it is NATO? Anybody not see that coming? Now what will Biden do? At least it was after the elections. Article five activation? Perhaps Joe will challenge Putin to a push up contest in lieu of nuclear war.Russia-Ukraine live updates: Putin suspends key US-Russia nuclear treaty in speech denouncing West
Live updates on the Russia-Ukraine crisis.
So now what?
Is NATO at war with Russia?
Are you happy now?
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rossum
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First the "unconfirmed" reports will need to be confirmed. Then, if confirmed, Poland will complain, strongly, and probably ask the Russians for compensation for the damage and, apparently, deaths.
After that we will have to see how the Russians react.
The Poles could potentially seize any Russian property in Poland, expel diplomats and similar.
Russia denies that this happened, because of course they do.
www.reuters.com
Russia's defence ministry denies Russian missiles struck Polish territory
Russia's defence ministry on Tuesday denied reports that Russian missiles had hit Polish territory, describing them as "a deliberate provocation aimed at escalating the situation".
www.reuters.com
Temujin
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There will probably be an increase in air defence capability given to Ukraine and longer range missiles capable of reaching the launch sites in Crimea. I would also expect an increase in diplomatic pressure, particularly against those countries which are not on board with sanctions.
Thistle
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So when Joe loses does that mean he has to fork over his key to the executive washroom in the White House? Apparently this is already an article 4 event. And you absolutely hit the nail on the head. This is exactly the kind of eventuality that we have been talking about since the beginning of the year.
Thistle
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The president of Poland has confirmed the reports ... check.
The president of Poland picked up the phone and called the President of the United States. Was there any doubt that that was what was going to happen?
You are avoiding the real question.
They appear to have declared an article 4 event, which leaves very little space between war with NATO and events that I've already taken place.
This attitude that the risk of nuclear war, whatever those odds may be, is "no big deal" is cavalier to the point of insanity.
rossum
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He has confirmed that something happened. We do not even know yet whether it was a Russian missile or a Ukrainian missile; both sides use some of the same missiles.
Given the target area, I suspect that the missile was damaged, off course or both. There are more significant targets in Poland for the Russians to aim at if the attack was deliberate. The supply lines used to ship arms into Ukraine for example.
No doubt; Poland has notified NATO and a lot of NATO countries are involved.
War? I doubt it. This has the look of an accident. There will be a lot of sabre-rattling and some increase in anti-missile support for Ukraine. Some more sanctions may well be imposed on Russia. All that assumes that it was a Russian missile rather than a Ukrainian missile.
Thistle
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He confirmed they were hit by Russian missiles and two citizens were killed.
You are choosing to not know that. You can't project your deliberately adopted confusion onto the president of Poland, because he's not confused about the matter.
Is that your judgment as a subject matter expert from Raytheon?
You're welcome to claim you know what the Russians motivation or objective was, but any rational person with an ounce of sense would reject your speculation.
Your obfuscating the fact that the president of Poland picked up the phone and called the president of the United States.
You're in some kind of oddball denial, because there's already a war.
Plausible deniability hasta be calculated in when justifying the unjustifiable.
Oh I have no doubt as to Biden's ability to fecklessly bumble his way forward until this is impossible to manage.
You can substitute your speculations for the facts as we know them absolutely without limit. I'm telling you what the president of Poland and the President of the United States had a discussion about, and it wasn't about a Ukrainian missile hitting Poland. If that were the case this would not be an article 4 NATO event, which is exactly what the president of Poland said it was.
Thistle
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inertia
Super Member
Russia-Ukraine live updates: Putin suspends key US-Russia nuclear treaty in speech denouncing West
Live updates on the Russia-Ukraine crisis.
So now what?
Is NATO at war with Russia?
Are you happy now?
Russia is exercising plausible deniability since their intended target was in Ukraine - so they say.
They understand that we are ready.
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Thistle
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You make a good point. This will be used by the United States as a pretext to put NATO forces in Ukraine as "liberators." That's not a good thing.Russia is exercising plausible deniability since their intended target was in Ukraine - so they say.
They understand that we are ready.
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Michael R2
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Not so fast, my friend. This was posted about an hour ago (~6:45 am est).
MSN
www.msn.com
You are correct in that the missiles are Russian made.
Thistle
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I can't really respond to that because I can't get the link to work.
Michael R2
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Sorry about that. Try this one.
Poland, NATO say missile strike wasn't a Russian attack
NATO's chief and the president of Poland say there are no indications that a missile that fell on Polish farmland and killed two people was a deliberate attack
abcnews.go.com
Thistle
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Thank heavens.Sorry about that. Try this one.
Poland, NATO say missile strike wasn't a Russian attack
NATO's chief and the president of Poland say there are no indications that a missile that fell on Polish farmland and killed two people was a deliberate attack
Ukraine refuses to accept it was behind Poland missile strike, despite NATO forgiveness
Ukraine's president, Volodymyr Zelenskky, says he had "no doubt" that Ukraine was not to blame for a missile strike that hit a Polish village Tuesday evening.
www.cnbc.com
An update. Should the Ukraine just say they goofed and let ot go?
mikeT
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Given that it wants to be a part of NATO, that'd probably be the best strategic move to make.Ukraine refuses to accept it was behind Poland missile strike, despite NATO forgiveness
Ukraine's president, Volodymyr Zelenskky, says he had "no doubt" that Ukraine was not to blame for a missile strike that hit a Polish village Tuesday evening.
An update. Should the Ukraine just say they goofed and let ot go?
Thistle
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So if they shouldn't become members of NATO because they lack candor in things that may lead to a declaration of article 5 why in the heck are we sending them all of this material to prolong the death and destruction in their country?