Sara Mazzarino - "What I can certainly say is that the conservation conditions of CS are absolutely perfect in is current state"

Steven Avery

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Sara Mazzarino - Book Conservator at the the British Library, Conservation Department 2005-2017
"What I can certainly say is that the conservation conditions of CS are absolutely perfect in is current state"
Email 2013

This fits perfectly with what was said by Helen Shenton:

"One of the things we found is that the parchment, which is 1600 years old, is in phenomenally good condition."
Helen Shenton, British Library

The wonderful condition "phenomenally good" per Helen Shenton can also be seen on the BBC video, this amazing condition is with or without binding.

The Codex Sinaiticus…the world's oldest surviving bible
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00dy1gc

Why phenomenally good condition? Simple, it is not a manuscript that was in the dry, hot desert climate for a millennium, nor was it made 1650 years ago. It is from the 1800s.
 
Sara Mazzarino - Book Conservator at the the British Library, Conservation Department 2005-2017

Email 2013

This fits perfectly with what was said by Helen Shenton:
Funny how the color of the pages of Codex Sinaiticus in the screen shots is different from that the color shown on the Codex Sinaiticus web site. It suggests that the color is highly sensitive to the lighting conditions used, or that the vellum has been cleaned in the mean time.
 
Funny how the color of the pages of Codex Sinaiticus in the screen shots is different from that the color shown on the Codex Sinaiticus web site. It suggests that the color is highly sensitive to the lighting conditions used, or that the vellum has been cleaned in the mean time.

Do you have a theory for the "absolutely perfect" conservation after a supposed 1750+ years, with supposedly much use over the centuries?

Does it even make you pause to think? :)

Do you even allow yourself to pause to think?
 
Do you have a theory for the "absolutely perfect" conservation after a supposed 1750+ years, with supposedly much use over the centuries?

Does it even make you pause to think? :)

Do you even allow yourself to pause to think?
Non use would be my guess. It wasn't a reading copy or even a church copy. It was probably just used as a master copy. Like many really big books, they don't get read that much. The books in the best condition in my collection are the big books.

There are various theories about it being abandoned in the scriptorium. Abandonment of the Eusebian apparatus suggests it was just deemed too unwieldy to be used for any other purpose. I should imagine they had loads of papyri copies for private reading and church use.
 
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Non use would be my guess. It wasn't a reading copy or even a church copy. It was probably just used as a master copy. Like many really big books, they don't get read that much.

Yet it is the most corrected "Bible" known, and was supposed to be used century after century.
The opposite of non-use.

And even without use, the parchment and ink would be expected to age.

Morozov understood that the condition bewrays the faux narrative.
As did Uspensky in his 1865 letter to Tischendorf.

The 1750+ year narrative is really just a Textual Criticism Comedy Hour.

(Even before you see the colouring and many other evidences.)
 
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Yet it is the most corrected "Bible" known, and was supposed to be used century after century.
No one has suggested it, except you. Moreover they had other uncials that seem to have perished, that were probably used for reading also.
 
No one has suggested it, except you.

Here are some of the fantasy dates, notice the continual usage proposed for the manuscript.

All part of Textual Criticism Comedy Hour for a pristine, flexible, youthful like-new parchment, with no ink-acid destuction.

4th century - production in Caesarea, Rome or Alexandria, or somewhere.

4th century - correction scribes are contemporary with the scribe, or nearly (i.e. fourth century).

5th or 7th centuries - C correctors

corrector b dates probably from the fifth/sixth century.

638 AD - "plausible guess", manuscript brought from Caesarea to Sinai - Lake, 1922

corrector c - actually refers to a large group of scribes (perhaps five) who worked in the seventh century

Three crosses note - c. AD 600

600-700 AD - 2 Esther and Ezra colophon notes

unknown - 1st retouching

8th century - 2nd retouching
scribe of the eighth or ninth century has retouched with fresh ink many pages of the Sinaitic MS

8th century - 2nd quire numeration (Skeat)


rebinding

Medieval correctors - D and E - Skeat p. 65 - D is known for accents.

"medieval corrections.. There are three corrections in the NT: at Matt 19:3; 1Tim 3:16; and Acts 3:13 (and there is one in Proverbs). There are a few pious notes, and some Arabic glosses, notably one that may be dated between 1453 and 1492. " - David Parker -
https://books.google.com/books?id=guYq9rohFQ8C&pg=PA45

"We may ignore d; this symbol is not generally used." (however, this includes Hermas quire 93, with dark retracing ink and accents, so it would have to be Byzantine period at the earliest.)

e refers to the last known corrector, who made a few alterations (Tischendorf reportedly lists only three) in the twelfth century.

Dionysius -
Milne and Skeat hedged their bets by writing that 'the latest desultory scribblings to which any approximate date can be assigned seem to belong to the twelfth century'. - Parker p. 117

1200 - Theophylact note' A date around 1200 seems a safe proposal. - Parker, p. 117

1453-1492 - Arabic note on Revelation 7:4 - Parker p. 119

New Finds

1800s - Arabic is very recent (Tregelles)

1844 - rebinding
 
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Here are some of the fantasy dates, notice the continual usage proposed for the manuscript.
No continual "usage" - just looks like it was being kept up to date.
All part of Textual Criticism Comedy Hour for a pristine, flexible, youthful like-new parchment, with no ink-acid destuction.
Except that this is a falsehood: the evidence of ink degredation has been presented, and on some pages is obvious, but rejected by you for purely political reasons.
 
... the evidence of ink degredation has been presented, and on some pages is obvious, but rejected by you for purely political reasons.

Where did you show the ink eating through parchment?
What post? What line and verse on the manuscript? What picture?

You tend to mistake flaking or fading of ink with ink-acid reaction causing destruction of parchment.
 
Deut Quire 15, Folio 7

Also Codex Sinaiticus / New Perspectives, 2015, British Library, p229, 229

INK
In Codex Sinaiticus three colours of ink are used,— red, black, and brown, each of various shades. In the introduction to the 1911 facsimile, Lake noted that inks were of the usual sepia colour commonly found in ancient manuscripts. Brown ink was used for the main text and amendments to it, as well as the quire numbers and the mid-quire binding marks. Red was used for superscriptions and numbering of individual Psalms for the Eusebian apparatus, and for the primary numbering of the New Testament's quires. Tischendorf referred to the red inks as minium (red lead)5 probably meaning ‘red pigment’ rather than a specific chemical compound. K. Lake and Milne and Skeat' also mention the red ink used, and characterized it as vermilion. Analysis completed as part of the Project has confirmed that the red is indeed vermilion, or mercury sulphide (HgS).8 These red inks, as opposed to the browns, are generally stable, regardless of the side of the parchment on which they appear, and show very little damage, although some of them have thicker deposits on the parchment and are darker than others. Black ink was only occasionally used for retouching faded text and for some annotations. Like the parchment, all the inks generally appear to be of very high quality. Overall, the stability of all the inks on the parchment is remarkable considering the Codex’s age, with very little degradation detectable. As observed by Tischendorf and Lake,9 the colour, or more properly, the shade, of the ink is specific to each scribe. The colour differences between the inks that do occur may be attributable to the dilution, provenance, or proportion* the ingredients, or the interpretation of the ink recipe.

Degredation, Corrosion and Damage
If we look more closely at the degradation of the various inks, a picture begins to emerge of the relationship of the inks to the scribes. The differences in degradation expressed in Table 17.1 suggest that each of the scribes was responsible for making his own ink; or at least obtaining a supply of it.


The ink used by scribe A appears to be the most vulnerable and degraded, in contrast to that used by the other three scribes. 33%of the leaves written by Scribe A have major ink corrosion and 44% have major ink loss. This could be the result of a lack of sufficient binding agent in the original recipe, which would cause flaking and loss of the ink layer. Similarly, a high metal sulphate content in the ink could cause corrosion and a weakening of the parchment. The inks used by Scribe B1 and Scribe B2 show less major ink corrosion and ink loss than that used by Scribe A. The ink used by Scribe D is the most stable, showing very little major corrosion (only 6%) or major ink loss.
A certain degree of corrosion of the parchment was also noticed by Tischendorf and Lake, who commented that it appeared to be more pronounced on thinner leaves than on thicker leaves. As part of the project, the inks were examined visually, aided by microscopy. The examination confirmed Tischendorf and Lake's observation of a correlation between the degree of corrosion and the thickness of the parchment in many cases. This is true, for example of Q38 F7, with minor corrosion and an average thickness of approximately 0.22mm, in contrast to Q42 F7, with major corrosion and an average thickness of about 0.9mm. However there is no consistent direct correlation throughout, and one must assume that there are other elements beyond the thickness of the parchment that play a role in the dynamic of ink corrosion. Certainly the quality of the ink is a major factor. This can vary greatly not only from one scribe to another, but also with quires written by the same scribe. Every time the ink supply is renewed there may be slight changes in the final product that can be responsible potentially for greater or lesser damage. In Codex Sinaiticus this is evident particularly in some of the sections attributed to Scribe B1. Quires 43, 44, 45 are widely affected by minor ink corrosion, but Quire 46 is very little affected, though the leaves in all of these quires are around the same thickness. Thus the change in the amount of ink corrosion may result from the use of a different ink supply.
 
We can see the parchment online.
What spot(s) do you claim has ink-acid reaction eating through the parchment?


If you do not know, simply say "dunno".
 
We can see the parchment online.
What spot(s) do you claim has ink-acid reaction eating through the parchment?

If you do not know, simply say "dunno".
Why are the vast majority of the small holes in the text area, and the non text area largely free from such small holes.

If you do not know, simply say "dunno".
 
You are not seriously theorizing that big holes in the pages from the New Finds dump room are from ink-acid reaction?

C'mon cjab.
What caused these holes? Probably moisture penetration, which could have catalysed the ink to react. Why is the parchment more degraded in the inked areas?

Also the Codex Sinaiticus WWW site provides examples of ink corrosion: https://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/project/conservation_physDesc.aspx
Ink-Corrosion-Major.jpg
 
In the picture you put up, that the CSP does not identify, we have some black spots that can be overstrokes, blotches, or some type of holes. (Least likely, ink-acid reaction, but it is a possibility in the mix.)

However without a CSP page, we have nothing.

Usually they give folio etc. The fact that they don’t here is puzzling. We did discuss some of the words, like ungodliness, and have ended up with a puzzle.

If you don’t have an answer, time to write the CSP / British Library.
 
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Can you at least give a location?
Then you see the whole page and the reverse side.

Thanks!
I haven't been able to identify a location. It may be in one of the apocryphal books in either the OT or the NT. I'll need a Greek apocrypha,,,,
 
I didn't know you could search Sinaiticus text, until now. So below is the page it came from:


"https://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?book=60&chapter=15&verse=5"
 
Agreed.
Now, do you really, really see this as an ink-acid-reaction parchment destruction hole??
Barnabas Ink Major Pic.png

Is it really "Major Ink Corrosion" or are they just funning you, essentially proving that they do not have major ink corrosion to show you from anywhere. "C'mon, bro, we need something we can call major ink corrosion!".

CSP
The portion of the Codex kept at the British Library shows very little major ink corrosion.
The ink originally used by the scribes appears to be in very good condition, and it is not causing corrosion of the support in any part of the text.

Btw, on the supposed major ink corrosion in Acts, I had previously confirmed with the CSP that it was an erasure. That was one reason I have been so confident that there simply is not ink-acid destruction of parchment. (Essentially another proof that it is a young manuscript.)

So, how did this incredible parchment avoid any ink-acid reaction destruction of parchment over the supposed 1750 years??
Of movement, use, dryness, heat and more use?

Easy. It has only been 270 years.
 
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