johnny guitar
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The Holy Spirit is NEVER referred to with feminine pronouns.
e v e 21
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esau did not like the word being, because in satanic aristotle being is mixed up with a pagan substance
so therefore esau in roman times
as satanic emissary
banned that each of the trinity is a being
and because kjv is esau’s sorcery text
just how they are one is not
understood today except as pagan ‘substance’
thats really pathetic and horrible to define God
by aristotles disgusting substance concepts
so therefore esau in roman times
as satanic emissary
banned that each of the trinity is a being
and because kjv is esau’s sorcery text
just how they are one is not
understood today except as pagan ‘substance’
thats really pathetic and horrible to define God
by aristotles disgusting substance concepts
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johnny guitar
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NO mother God in Scripture. Sheer paganism.
I have answered your erroneous understanding of John 17:5 (in light of multi-persons God).
The world is not planet earth but people who are elected to salvation. Read John 17:5 in its context:
John 17:
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
The Son esteemed The Father on earth (people) - v4.
The Son is asking The Father for the same esteem to be bestowed upon Him before the world was (before His believers were. Not planet or flat earth). - v5.
Now v6 is very clear The Son is speaking about His elect chosen from the world. He is not speaking about eternity past where there was no Father nor Son. The titles of The F, S and HS are salvific in nature and nothing to do with a multi-personal God as you believe in.
1Chron 29:10 And Dawiḏ blessed יהוה before all the assembly. And Dawiḏ said, “Blessed are You, יהוה Elohim of Yisra’ĕl, our Father, forever and ever.
If He is The Father of Israel then Israel is His Son. The Son of God is then representing Israel as the firstborn son. What Israel couldn't do, The Son of God did. These are salvific titles and not multiple persons of God.
johnny guitar
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Jesus is asking The Father to restore the glory He had alongside The Father before the world existed.
Clear as crystal. NO need for any nonsense tortured explanations of this passage.
Theophilus
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Exactly as Jesus said He was with the Father before there was a creation meaning that He is also eternal just like the Father is eternal.
Carbon
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You got some things correct. This is good to see.
That's totally a false interpretation of John 17:5 from it's underlying context
The World is referring to people and not the earth.
There was no Father or Son before the beginning as it would make no sense as these relative titles are purely covenant relationship between God and Israel.
It's ignorance of the gospel message which has brought forth Trinitarianism, Unitarianism & Modalism and the likes in Christendom.
God has been transitioning from being invisible to being in Bodily form through occupying the room of Mediatorship which is outlined in Psalms 110. Yahuah said unto Adonai sit at My Right Hand until....
In Mathew 22:44, Yahusha says that David in Spirit called Him Yahuah (Adonay) and hence He can't be David's son. But in Mediatorship He occupies the Room as The Son of God
The earliest manuscripts say that He is The only Begotten God .....John 1:18
ܐܠܗܐ ܠܐ ܚܙܐ ܐܢܫ ܡܢ ܡܬܘܡ ܝܚܝܕܝܐ ܐܠܗܐ ܗܘ ܕܐܝܬܘܗܝ ܒܥܘܒܐ ܕܐܒܘܗܝ ܗܘ ܐܫܬܥܝ
18 No nash {man} has ever seen Alaha {God}. The Only Begotten {lit. The Unique One} Alaha {God}, He who is in the bosom of His Father; He has Declared Him.
The Bosom is the Room He occupies in the Father through His Mediatorship till all fulfillment. He is called The Everlasting Father in Isaiah 9:6.
In Flesh, He was the equal share of invisible God. He is equal WITH God (means God's equal share in Bodily form). For a while He didn't hold on to His reputation of being equal WITH God - Phil 2:5-7.
In His reputation, He is Yahuah Himself as well as His Anointed One (Messiah).
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